Bucs in talks with Raiders for first pick
There is speculation around the league that Tampa Bay is going to make a run at the first pick in the draft in order to select Calvin Johnson. One rumor has the Bucs offering all four of their first day picks (Nos. 4, 35, 64 and 68 overall) to the Raiders in exchange for the number one pick.
It's no secret that the Bucs want Johnson and they will continue to talk to both the Raiders and Lions about moving up.
It's no secret that the Bucs want Johnson and they will continue to talk to both the Raiders and Lions about moving up.
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If I was the raiders, I would take this in a heart beat. No question Johnson is a stud, but Tampa Bay is aging on defense and has too many needs. There is a reason they are choosing #4. Stay at number 4, hope for the best or take the best defensive player on the board.
This would still be a great deal for the Raiders, and on the other hand a stupid deal for the Bucs. Johnson will be a start, but I wouln't give that much for him. Especially considering the Raiders may pass on him and select Jamarcus Russell. Then Calvin falls to the Bucs anyways. I don't see this deal happening just b/c it's too risky for Tampa to do.
Won't happen this is a stupid move for John Gruden and the Bucs if they do, but hey I am a Panthers fan go ahead. It would set the Raiders up
That would be a smart thing to do for oakland. Then they could draft for numerous holes and add depth to their team.Also they could trade some of the picks to either move up or for future picks in upcoming drafts.
Usually everybody knows who the 1st pick in the draft is going to be weeks ahead of time. The reason we dont know yet is because the raiders are hoping to trade down, its obvious thier intentions. Commit to no one player so everyone thinks you might be taking thier pick.
Why the Buccs would trade up 3 spots on Calvin Johnson is beyond me. They need to keep the picks, if Oakland really was offered this Ild jump like crazy at it. Detroit has no interest in Johnson, and Cleveland doesnt either. Only team that might take him is Oakland of whom is at the top of a lot of draft boards right now, that being said it doesnt even make sense to work a deal with detroit either. Tampa stay smart keep your picks.
that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard of if they do not take russell if they move they can kiss ever being a dominant team again who will throw the ball to johnson. the qb class is small the wide receiving class is huge maybe one of the best ever to come into the nfl u have size, speed,and great hands
this would almost be like when the saints gave up everything for ricky williams. i'm not saying CJ will have all the problems ricky did, but tampa bay probably has a lot more issues to address than just WR.
If I'm Al Davis, I do this only if Tampa first swaps picks with the Lions for their #2 (with Detroit looking to drop down and pick up DE Gaines Adams). Then select Johnson and trade him to the Bucs for the #2 and other picks. That way, we get our guy (JaMarcus Russell) and additional draft choices.
As a Raider fan I'd jump all over this. This would rank right up there with the Cowboys/Vikings Walker trade. Could completely change the future of the Raiders. I'm not sure if the Raiders have the money to pay all those picks.
Well we can see nobody who has posted yet knows anything about football, the Bucs aren't that stupid for one, CJ isn't worth all those picks, and if anything, they'll trade up to #2, without having to mortgage the house to do it, that would only cost them a number two, Jake Plummers rights, and swapping their number one. Just sit back and watch.
No dice Bucs have too many question marks on Defense. If he falls to fourth great or even swap picks with #3 browns if he is still on the board at that time Otherwise take the d lineman.
That would be the dumbest move in franchise history! You abandon all those picks for 1 guy. Give me a break! They have a lot of holes to fill.
I'll bielive Gruden and big Al make a deal when I see it. Tampa Bay holds their water and saves their picks and does the deal with Detroit. Either way Tampa hits the lock, CJ or ends up either the best DE/DT/OLT on the board. I'm sure they know Oakland wants the Roman Gaberal clone pretty bad. If we're talking swaps and two's, that would get the deal done. Not 3000 points though. I'll believe it when I see it. We saw this act close at hand last year. signed a Texan's ran.
Oh God. Al, please please please take this deal!!! We could still get either Brady or JaMarcus at the 4 spot and will be able to grab Zach Miller with the 34 pick. Jeez, I hate rumors like this because they get me all excited. I hope to God this is true and that the Raider jump on it!!
as a bucs fan, i sincerely hope that they do not pay that price for CJ. they have about 50% chance of getting him at #4 and about a 50% chance they'll be better off with someone else. stay put, johnny boy!
here is a thought for all you buc fans. if the raiders take russell #1. the bucs really want johnson they may have no choice but to give detroit what they want. detroit can always draft johnson and force the bucs if they want him that bad to deal with detroit and if the bucs dont want him that bad then detroit gets the best player in the draft. I do agree that would be a mistake for the bucs to give up everything for johnson. But if you are really crazy enough to think that detroit wont take him if he is there and force the bucs to deal with detroit well atlanta can i hear they have 2 2nd rd picks detroit has an interest in. BTW detroit isnt going to take gaines adams either there player they want is patrick willis mlb ole miss.
this would be cool... especially if quinn or russel were avalible at #4...
1. i don't understand why any raider fan would want this to happen. the lions won't trade if CJ goes #1. they'd almost be forced to take a QB with such a high pick on their hands, so there goes either Quinn or Russell. Cleveland takes the other at number 3. There is no way the Raiders get a QB at 4 in this scenario. Just out of spite the Lions would take a QB if they can't swap with someone who does. Do you really think the Lions would let the Raiders sabotage their draft and then allow Oakland to have their way? You are aware the NFL is competitive right? The competitiveness of a franchise determines its worth, i.e., big dollars are at stake. Yeah i bet the Lions would passively watch Oakland make the draft their improvement party at the Lions expense. If the Raiders mess this up for Detroit, the Lions take them down with the ship.
and 2. The Bucs dont have to like the cost of moving up, but the only way they get Johnson is by giving up their entire first day--because thats the cost. Look at the chart, do the math. If you don't pay what something costs, you can't have it. Simple as it gets. And to anyone telling themselves Johnson slides to 4, keep telling yourself that and be real disappointed come Draft Day. Again people, competitive football is a business. The NFL collectively grosses $4-5 billion per year. There's a snowball's chance in Hell that Johnson gets past number 2. The exclusive rights to negotiate with Johnson will belong to the Lions for some portion of the day on April 28. The team willing to give up the most value in draft picks will then acquire those rights--if that high bid is satisfactory to the Lions. And if not, well, I don't think anyone can fault them for doing what competitive teams do: put themselves in the best position possible, at the expense of their competitors. Its cutthroat, like it should be. And if everyone rips them for being "stuck" with Calvin, I don't think the Lions will mind having the best player in the draft, especially when he has the biggest impact next year.
As a huge Bucs fan I really hope they don't trade all their picks to move up 3 spots, there are too many needs. If Gruden wants to keep his job and if the Bucs hope to compete this year they need those picks to retool the defense. I want Calvin Johnson really bad but I don't want to watch the team fall apart and have to start over again. They need to win now not later and trading away several players for one would be a move they could regret for year to come, especially if Calvin doesn't produce great results.
Gruden needs to have his head checked out if he even considers this trade! He will be unemployed next year if he does make this trade and doesn't win BIG! Buc's need the picks!
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I think the raiders would move out of the first pick though if Green goes to cleveland because then they would know that Quinn would still be there at four, and If you could get all those picks it would be impossible to pass up. If Johnson does go #1 Detroit will take Russell. There is no way in any scenario that the Lions take Quinn.
bcman43 you get it. you really cant fault the team that takes the best player in the draft. period. they get value even if they picked first, and even better value if they get him anywhere lower than first. detroit is most definitely holding onto CJ until they get what they want--they can do that because they're not afraid of having him. Would you be?
I dont see the bucs trading up to the first pic unless another team is trying to trade up with the lions to snatch Johnson ahead of the bucs. If the first 4 slots remain the same on draft day the bucs wont need to trade up at all to get Johnson because he'll fall right into their laps at 4.
Although you never know with Matt Millen ;).
I seriously doubt the Bucs would trade away all their first round picks for Calvin Johnson. Johnson may be the best player in the draft this year, but he isn't worth that by any stretch of the imagination. To the people that say Johnson couldn't possibly slip past the number 2 pick, I can assure you it is very possible. Want proof? Reggie Bush was the #2 overall pick last year, enough said. The Raiders will take Russel, Detroit will either take Gaines Adams or hold CJ ransom for some picks. Cleveland will take native born Brady Quinn to take Charlie Frie's spot eventually. and Tampa Bay will do their damndest to get their hands on CJ, but is they don't, theres always Joe Thomas to protect Jeff Garcia or Chris Simms next year. Or maybe Amobi Okoye out of Louisville or Alan Branch out of Michigan. In any case, this deal is a no go.
All trade power is with CJ. So Raiders should draft CJ and take the highest bidder, hopefully Tampa. Then they wait for one of three possibilities: Russell, Quinn, or Thomas. All of which would help, especially with extra picks to fill other needs. If no one fronts a decent bid, keep the best player in the draft and hope to score a QB in round 2, or hold out with Walters until next year. Oakland will probably be near the top again in '08.
i think the raiders are content to give Andrew Walters a fair shot with a smart offensive scheme, more support from his line and receivers who want to get open and hold on to the ball i would trade #1 for just #4 and there 2nd pick or #4 and a 1st rounder next year, i've heard the raiders have 4 picks in the 1st 100
as a raider fan I'm pulling for this to happen...if the bucs grab Johnson at the number one spot and Detroit takes either Russell or Quinn there still is a likely chance that the raiders might get either one of those qbs because the Cleavland browns might get Adrian Peterson which leaves us with Russell or Quinn...if Cleveland does take a qb with their pick i rather have all those draft picks that add depth on my team and i would stick it out with Andrew Walter for one more year because we used a 3rd rounder for him and we might as well get some use out of him
Dumb Deal....and Gruden isn't that stupid. Best deal would be to trade up to #2 and swap picks with Detroit. Bucs would pay #2 money for CJ and Detroit would get Gaines at #4 and pay him #4 money which would work for both teams. That and Marinelli and Gruden worked together for many years. Millen can't afford to be stupid with this pick.....oops did I just say what I thought I said????
There is a reason they call it a "rumor" - - no way in hell that TB dumps all four picks for CJ; (1) they are not that stupid
(2) they do not need to move up to the first spot to grab him, they may not need to move up at all as most boards have him going in the 4th spot anyways. Worst case scenario is trading two [1st/2nd] round picks to Detroit to move-up (most likely scenario)
That and Oakland can fluff all it wants about taking CJ off the boards,the fact of the matter is that they MUST grab a QB with the pick, either Russell or Quinn.
Oakland's recent QB "passes" in draft:
2006: Safety Michael Huff from Texas [passing on Leinart and Cutler]
2004: First round – second pick: Robert Gallery OT [passing on Rivers, Roethlisberger]
I just can't imagine that Davis would do it again, use a 1st round pick to grab a receiver when the team's number one issue is OBVIOUSLY the QB. The again, its Al Davis so he'll probably draft CB Leon Hall from Michigan.
Got a wonderful chuckle out of this:
To the people that say Johnson couldn't possibly slip past the number 2 pick, I can assure you it is very possible. Want proof? Reggie Bush was the #2 overall pick last year, enough said.
Um, Reggie didn't slip past the #2 pick as far as I'm aware.
Won't TB still have a real shot at CJ at #4? This rushed trading of 4 slots for CJ reminds me of Ditka with the Saints and his bust.
Soryy, meant to add that Ditka's trading was for Ricky Williams back then.
look if the raiders dont do this THERE STUPID... maybe more stupid the the houston texans not drafting reggie bush or vince young!!! this would help the raiders in so many ways being able to sure up in the draft at all the places that they need help at...RHB
brady quinn rules best quaterback in this draft no doubt bout it
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