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frankmoore


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:47 pm    Post subject: Half a decade of futility Reply with quote

For 5 years, we have sat and watched as the Miami Dolphins under Dave Wannstedt pissed away the future. Here's the complete list, by round selected, of all of Miami's draft picks over the past 5 years. The last number (in parens) represents the player's overall rank in the selection order.

I will warn you, that reading this list might make you ill.


1st Round
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2001 CB Jamar Fletcher (26)
2004 G/T Vernon Carey (19)

2nd Round
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2000 T Todd Wade (53)
2001 WR Chris Chambers (52)
2003 LB Eddie Moore (49)

3rd Round
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2000 CB Ben Kelly (84)
2001 RB Travis Minor (85) -- a.k.a., our 2002 2nd round pick
2001 LB Morlon Greenwood (88 )
2002 C Seth McKinney (90)
2003 T Wade Smith (78 ) -- a.k.a., our 2004 2nd round pick
2003 G Taylor Whitley (87)

4th Round
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2000 FB Deon Dyer (117)
2002 TE Randy McMichael (114)
2004 CB Will Poole (102)

5th Round
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2000 S Arturo Freeman (152)
2001 T Shawn Draper (156)
2002 CB Omare Lowe (161)
2002 WR Sam Simmons (170)
2003 TE Donald Lee (156)
2003 WR J.R. Tolver (169)
2004 LB Tony Bua (160)

6th Round
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2000 DT Ernest Grant (167)
2001 T Brandon Winey (164) -- a.k.a., Chris Samuels' backup in Washington
2001 QB Josh Heupel (177)
2001 DE Otis Leverette (187)
2001 LB Rick Crowell (188)
2003 LB Corey Jenkins (181)
2003 T Tim Provost (209)
2003 S Yeremiah Bell (213)
2004 C Rex Hadnot (174)

7th Round
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2000 CB Jeff Harris (232)
2002 RB Leonard Henry (241)
2003 DT Davern Williams (248)
2004 T Tony Pape (221)
2004 LB Derrick Pope (222)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great research...at least we usually do pretty good in the 3rd round.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right Frank, Wansstupid only legacy was a lot of dissapointments to the fans who season after season saw how the team became in a disaster because the Wanstted never think in a future. Hopefully I think that Saban has the capacity to turn around this situatión and take us to the next level.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't that much better under Jimmy Johnson. For all the hype he got of being a Draft Guru, here's what he did in his tenure:

Jimmy Johnson Era:

1st Rounders
Daryl Gardner (1996)
Yatil Green (1997)
John Avery (1998)

2nd Rounders
Sam Madison (1997)
Patrick Surtain (1998)
Kenny Mixon (1998)
JJ Johnson (1999)
Rob Konrad (1999)

3rd Rounders
Dorian Brew (1996)
Karim Abdul Jabbar (1996)
Jason Taylor (1997) -edited to add
Derrick Rodgers (1997)
Ronnie Ward (1997)
Brent Smith (1997)
Brad Jackson (1998)
Larry Shannon (the next Randy Moss) (1998)
Grey Ruegamer (1999)

4th Rounders
Kirk Pointer (1996)
Stanley Pritchett (1996)
LaCurtis Jones (1996) (I think he threatened to shoot someone when he was cut)
Jerome Daniels (1997)
Lorenzo Bromell (1998)
Hunter Goodwin (trade- 1999)

5th Rounders
Jeris McPhail (1996) – Or is it spelled Jeris McFailed?
Shane Burton (1996)
Zach Thomas (1996)
James Brown (trade 1997)
Barron Tanner (1997)
Nicholas Lopez (1997)
Scott Shaw (1998)
Cecil Collins (1999)
Bryan Jones (1999)
Kevin Gogan (1999 – Trade)

6th Rounders
Shawn Wooden (1996)
John Fiala (1997)
Brian Manning (1997)
Mike Crawford (1997)
Ed Perry (1997)
Nathan Strikwerda (1998)
John Dutton (1998)
Brent Bartholomew (1999)

7th Rounders
Jeff Buckey (1996)
Brice Hunter (1996)
Hudhaifa Ismaeli (1997)
Jim Brunden (1998)
Tyrone Wheatley (trade-1999)
Jermaine Haley (1999)
Joe Wong (1999)


Obviously JJ thought the key was quantity. But two of crap is still crap. He obviously gets credit for taking Zach Thomas, a major steal, but for the most part it looks like A LOT more misses than hits.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhhhh.... when I get back from the hospital (after reading this), someone will have to delete Franks post..... Horrible, just horrible!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Mercury you forgot another big steal form JJ in 1997 "JASON TAYLOR".

Maybe JT and ZT was the only 2 players well scouted by him Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of interest:

In 1999 many of the pre-draft rags had the following "backs" as the top recruits coming out:

#1 Ricky Williams - was a Dolphin
#2 Edgerrin James - Could be a Dolphin
#3 Cecil Collins - was a Dolphin
#4 JJ Johnson - was a Dolphin
#5 Rob Konrad - was a Dolphin

Granted Konrad was a FB, but at least Pro Football Weekly listed them in the order above. Lets hope this years class pans out a little better for the Fins.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexdolphin wrote:
And Mercury you forgot another big steal form JJ in 1997 "JASON TAYLOR".

Maybe JT and ZT was the only 2 players well scouted by him Very Happy


Thanks, I can't believe I missed JT!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Np Mercury, it's because the anger above the bad choices made by JJ and Wansstupid
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, alex. Its hard to see the gems amongst all the crap-ola!

I know its not an exact science but a monkey throwing darts could hit more times than these guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also who can forget Jimmy Johnson's fan favorite of passing on Randy Moss so he could take John Avery. He then went onto select the speedster Larry Shannon who was to be "as good as Moss" according to JJ.

Even Jay Fielder would have looked good throwing to Randy Moss.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right Mercury, maybe that was one of the most miserable moves mades by him, only because "he wanted to take a risk with Moss" and now in 2005 where are Avery? who remember him?. And think that maybe Moss could be the WR that Marino needed to take another chance to get a superbowl, who knows?
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sorry "he doesn't want to ..."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mercury22 wrote:
In 1999 many of the pre-draft rags had the following "backs" as the top recruits coming out:

#1 Ricky Williams - was a Dolphin
#2 Edgerrin James - Could be a Dolphin
#3 Cecil Collins - was a Dolphin
#4 JJ Johnson - was a Dolphin
#5 Rob Konrad - was a Dolphin

Almost fell out of my chair laughing at this one.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankmoore wrote:
Mercury22 wrote:
In 1999 many of the pre-draft rags had the following "backs" as the top recruits coming out:

#1 Ricky Williams - was a Dolphin
#2 Edgerrin James - Could be a Dolphin
#3 Cecil Collins - was a Dolphin
#4 JJ Johnson - was a Dolphin
#5 Rob Konrad - was a Dolphin

Almost fell out of my chair laughing at this one.


While its not exactly the same thing the current equivalent would be this:

#1 Ronnie Brown - Was a Dolphin
#2 Cadillac Williams - Could be a Dolphin
#3 Cedric Benson - was a Dolphin
#4 Ciatrick Fason - was a Dolphin
#5 Vernand Morency - was a Dolphin
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