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disaacs


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:58 am    Post subject: 2016 All-NFC North Roster Poll Preview/Suggestions Reply with quote



Next week, I'm going to bring back the All-NFC North polls once again...for what I think is now 4 years in a row.

2015 Results
2014 Results
2013 Results

For those that are not aware, we're going to try create a 53-Man All-NFC North roster, consisting of the following breakdown:

QB1
QB2

RB1
RB2
RB3
H-Back/FB

WR1
WR2
WR3
WR4
WR5

TE1
TE2
TE3

LT
LG
C
RG
RT
OL6
OL7
OL8
OL9

DE1
DE2
DT1
DT2
DL5
DL6
DL7
DL8
DL9

OLB1
OLB2
ILB1
ILB2
LB5
LB6

CB1
CB2
FS
SS
DB5
DB6
DB7

K
P
LS
Returner

Wild-Card1
Wild-Card2
Wild-Card3
Wild-Card4

I know some of you in the past have had some very good suggestions about specific positions to add or include, which is where the H-Back/FB option and returner options came about. Therefore, I'm going to give you until Monday morning of next week to come up with any more specific/specialist positions you'd like to see, or any other suggestions, which you can put here. Then, we'll get started next Monday, and this may take us through most of the abyss period until training camp.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a suggestion, or a request, i guess....

is there any way this can be done without creating 50 new threads, that push the existing conversations down and off the page? could maybe the voting be done via a link to a Google doc or something, and then the results are posted in one continually updating master thread? with an ongoing discussion about each position as it's currently being voted on, maybe?

or a thread each for offense and defense?
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a good suggestion. I can figure out something...I can't get to Google Docs from my computer here at work, but I can certainly figure out a work-around to be able to do so. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

because otherwise our home page always looks like this:



that's a lot of space on our queue to devote to threads that only have a handful of responses.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

queue is one of my favorite words. ever.

Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind the separate threads. The front page doesn't get that cluttered, when you're creating one a day. A year later, the other threads created during those 2 months have been updated and pulled back to the front page, so they all run together, like on the screenshot VD posted.

To reduce the thread count, I suggest that the positions that should be won in a landslide be given by acclamation, without a vote: Rodgers, Peterson, Smith, Sitton, maybe a few others.

Then for positions where the choices are limited for ~2 slots available on the roster, combine that into a single poll/thread. So if everyone agrees Rodgers is QB1 (right?), have one thread with these poll options:
2. Stafford 3. Cutler
2. Stafford 3. Bridgewater
2. Cutler 3. Stafford
2. Cutler 3. Bridgewater
2. Bridgewater 3. Stafford
2. Bridgewater 3. Cutler

Then you've got a single thread for QB discussion, which is enough.

Another way to reduce thread numbers would be to give a strong second place finisher the 2nd string position. For instance, if almost all the votes for CB1 go to Shields and Rhodes, give the loser of that vote the CB2 spot and make the next poll CB3.

The other main suggestion I have is to combine front 7 positions into 3 categories -- edge, DL (or defensive interior), and off-ball LB -- in order to smooth out the differences between 3-4 and 4-3 systems. Pernell McPhee and Chad Greenway don't play similar positions, even though they're both OLBs. McPhee should be polled vs Everson Griffen, and Greenway vs Jerrell Freeman, even if Freeman's officially an ILB.

DL could be split into NT vs 3-tech/DE, or just leave it as a single category.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one thread each for offense and defense would be fine. People can list their rankings for each position. It'll be a little more work to compile, but it wouldn't be too bad.

I also think we should skip the obvious picks (Rodgers, Peterson, Harrison Smith, etc)
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh good lord, we actually put Jeff Locke on one of these teams...
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of separate threads, but as suggested, put in the already locked players (AP, Rodgers, etc.). Half the stuff on the front page is at least a week old and this is a slow part of the off season.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it funny Mike Wallace made his way onto the finals as WR6.

I also find it funny that Kyle Rudolph might be the best TE in this division. just a very average overall player.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do individual threads. The threads that end up getting bumped down aren't active and is the reason they're getting bumped down. That is something I never understood about this place.(Grouping everything into one thread) To myself it makes the place less active as I personally have made a thread many years ago only to get it locked by VD saying it was already being discussed but when I went to look for it, I simply couldn't find it anywhere and had to search through 2 or 3 pages of rubbish before finding it. Just because things can get lumped together doesn't mean they should. Just my opinion though.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snake Plissken wrote:
I like the idea of separate threads, but as suggested, put in the already locked players (AP, Rodgers, etc.). Half the stuff on the front page is at least a week old and this is a slow part of the off season.
not a fan of giving players a locked position. It kind of takes away from the whole point IMO. I mean sure AP & Rodgers should and most likely will win hands down but we should still vote.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm against the idea of separate threads for every single position.

I do however like the idea of giving the top two roster spots to those that finish 1-2 in the voting. We could have a "starting corner" thread and a "sub-package" corner thread.

top two in the starter thread are your base starting corners, top two-three in the sub-package thread are your nickel, dime, and depth corners.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boda wrote:
I personally have made a thread many years ago only to get it locked by VD saying it was already being discussed but when I went to look for it, I simply couldn't find it anywhere and had to search through 2 or 3 pages of rubbish before finding it. Just because things can get lumped together doesn't mean they should. Just my opinion though.

well, if it was a duplicate then it was a duplicate. searching the last 2-3 pages for thread titles takes a minute or two, at most.

but actually i'm all for, and regularly demonstrate, that i like topics pulled away from a single all encompassing thread. just like how i have started a wr thread and a special teams thread, and others have started an o-line or a defense thread, for example.

a lot of FF team forums have one thread for off season happenings, or one thread for the draft. i've never been for that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vike daddy wrote:
a lot of FF team forums have one thread for off season happenings, or one thread for the draft. i've never been for that.


Those kinds of threads are absolutely brutal to sift through.

Keep the ideas coming!
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