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PackAttack785 
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 5971 Location: Appleton, WI
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: Stop the Press! |
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You guys I think we all need to realize that this years team was not expected to make the playoffs or even have a winning record. This is a rebuilding year and Ted Thompson handled it that way this offseason. I know we are all die hard Packer fans and want the Packers to compete every year but this year was not the end of a championship run- it is a transition year between runs. This team is a mix of Vets and young players and it just wasn't ment to be this year. What we should be looking forward to is the offensive and defensive talent and the future drafts that are going to make our team more competetive and full of depth then it has been since the mid 90s.
We have a bright future if Ted can keep adding talent through the draft boys. Clifton, Tausher, Kampman, Barnett and others are all still young and will be fighting for division titles with Hawk, Jennings, Hodge, Rodgers, Collins ect. _________________
| Mercury22 wrote: | | I doubt, very seriously, if the Packers even sniff the playoffs next year. |
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mr. soprano 
Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 569 Location: University of Georgia
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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you really cant fault those of us who choose to see the bright side and hope for the best out of our boys.
It is very disappointing to see them play like this. _________________
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pollino14 
Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 11249
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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I also think were have a good future.
On offense Jennings/Rodgers/ young O-line and Driver for 4-5 years
On defense Collins/Hawk/Hodge/Barnett etc are a solid core _________________
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hauschild
Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 14492
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Stop the Press! |
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| PackAttack785 wrote: | You guys I think we all need to realize that this years team was not expected to make the playoffs or even have a winning record. This is a rebuilding year and Ted Thompson handled it that way this offseason. I know we are all die hard Packer fans and want the Packers to compete every year but this year was not the end of a championship run- it is a transition year between runs. This team is a mix of Vets and young players and it just wasn't ment to be this year. What we should be looking forward to is the offensive and defensive talent and the future drafts that are going to make our team more competetive and full of depth then it has been since the mid 90s.
We have a bright future if Ted can keep adding talent through the draft boys. Clifton, Tausher, Kampman, Barnett and others are all still young and will be fighting for division titles with Hawk, Jennings, Hodge, Rodgers, Collins ect. |
Sounds like 1981 all over again! Sorry, I couldn't resist that softly-lobbed ball. |
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all_the_tea 
Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 2224
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Stop the Press! |
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| hauschild wrote: | | PackAttack785 wrote: | You guys I think we all need to realize that this years team was not expected to make the playoffs or even have a winning record. This is a rebuilding year and Ted Thompson handled it that way this offseason. I know we are all die hard Packer fans and want the Packers to compete every year but this year was not the end of a championship run- it is a transition year between runs. This team is a mix of Vets and young players and it just wasn't ment to be this year. What we should be looking forward to is the offensive and defensive talent and the future drafts that are going to make our team more competetive and full of depth then it has been since the mid 90s.
We have a bright future if Ted can keep adding talent through the draft boys. Clifton, Tausher, Kampman, Barnett and others are all still young and will be fighting for division titles with Hawk, Jennings, Hodge, Rodgers, Collins ect. |
Sounds like 1981 all over again! Sorry, I couldn't resist that softly-lobbed ball. |
I would hope that our GM, a Ron Wolf disciple, is more competent than whoever ran the show back then. _________________
| Aaron Rouse wrote: | | I've got a chip on my shoulder, and it's shaped like a piece of cheese. |
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daintrain28 

Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 17378 Location: Davenport, IA
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Stop the Press! |
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| hauschild wrote: | | PackAttack785 wrote: | You guys I think we all need to realize that this years team was not expected to make the playoffs or even have a winning record. This is a rebuilding year and Ted Thompson handled it that way this offseason. I know we are all die hard Packer fans and want the Packers to compete every year but this year was not the end of a championship run- it is a transition year between runs. This team is a mix of Vets and young players and it just wasn't ment to be this year. What we should be looking forward to is the offensive and defensive talent and the future drafts that are going to make our team more competetive and full of depth then it has been since the mid 90s.
We have a bright future if Ted can keep adding talent through the draft boys. Clifton, Tausher, Kampman, Barnett and others are all still young and will be fighting for division titles with Hawk, Jennings, Hodge, Rodgers, Collins ect. |
Sounds like 1981 all over again! Sorry, I couldn't resist that softly-lobbed ball. |
1) Whether or not it is (1981 all over again), our expectations were too high
2) Whether or not we are expected to struggle like this, we need to see better effort out of our guys. This one appears to be mailed in, and we can't have that! _________________
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| packfan4 wrote: | | I hate 50% of Packer fans, I really do. |
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Barnett56 
Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 12626 Location: Gone
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| We shouldn't be this bad. We had one bad year after a decade of good ones where we went to the playoffs. Three years since we nearly went to the NFC Championship game. We should be at least a respectable team right now but we aren't, and I have the right to be angry about it. |
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daintrain28 

Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 17378 Location: Davenport, IA
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Barnett56 wrote: | | We shouldn't be this bad. We had one bad year after a decade of good ones where we went to the playoffs. Three years since we nearly went to the NFC Championship game. We should be at least a respectable team right now but we aren't, and I have the right to be angry about it. |
Barnett, like most fans, you underestimate the position of GM. It is the single most important job on an NFL team.
In the case of Mike Sherman, he was a HC trying to be a GM. The time constraints of being a HC made him unable to be a decent GM.
However, it's important to remember, one of Sherman's strong points was his motivation and his fire (at least early on). Because of this, he was able to hide the gradual decline of talent by overproducing of his players.
This decline has been going on for quite sometime. It's gonna take time to undo it. _________________
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| packfan4 wrote: | | I hate 50% of Packer fans, I really do. |
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all_the_tea 
Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 2224
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Barnett56 wrote: | | We shouldn't be this bad. We had one bad year after a decade of good ones where we went to the playoffs. Three years since we nearly went to the NFC Championship game. We should be at least a respectable team right now but we aren't, and I have the right to be angry about it. |
Of course you have the right to be angry, but that does not justify doing it.
One thing you seem to forget: we are not similar to the 2003 Packers. We have 11 different starters (13 if you count special teams), and Green will likely not replicate his 2003 form. Quit bringing up the point that we are 3 years removed from 2003, because it is irrelevant.
In 2004, we probably should have sucked but we had Brett Favre. I remember a writer once said that Green Bay didn't realize how bad a team it was. Without Brett Favre, the Packers would not have won a game. That was all due to Sherman's horrible work at GM, and 2005 was rock bottom.
We have to rebuild, and I would say that if we are not playing decent-to-good late in 2007, then we are certainly in trouble. _________________
| Aaron Rouse wrote: | | I've got a chip on my shoulder, and it's shaped like a piece of cheese. |
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daintrain28 

Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 17378 Location: Davenport, IA
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| all_the_tea wrote: | | Barnett56 wrote: | | We shouldn't be this bad. We had one bad year after a decade of good ones where we went to the playoffs. Three years since we nearly went to the NFC Championship game. We should be at least a respectable team right now but we aren't, and I have the right to be angry about it. |
Of course you have the right to be angry, but that does not justify doing it.
One thing you seem to forget: we are not similar to the 2003 Packers. We have 11 different starters (13 if you count special teams), and Green will likely not replicate his 2003 form. Quit bringing up the point that we are 3 years removed from 2003, because it is irrelevant.
In 2004, we probably should have sucked but we had Brett Favre. I remember a writer once said that Green Bay didn't realize how bad a team it was. Without Brett Favre, the Packers would not have won a game. That was all due to Sherman's horrible work at GM, and 2005 was rock bottom.
We have to rebuild, and I would say that if we are not playing decent-to-good late in 2007, then we are certainly in trouble. |
Bullseye! Man, A_T_T, you are a hell of a poster. You sure know your football. _________________
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| packfan4 wrote: | | I hate 50% of Packer fans, I really do. |
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all_the_tea 
Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 2224
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| daintrain28 wrote: | | all_the_tea wrote: | | Barnett56 wrote: | | We shouldn't be this bad. We had one bad year after a decade of good ones where we went to the playoffs. Three years since we nearly went to the NFC Championship game. We should be at least a respectable team right now but we aren't, and I have the right to be angry about it. |
Of course you have the right to be angry, but that does not justify doing it.
One thing you seem to forget: we are not similar to the 2003 Packers. We have 11 different starters (13 if you count special teams), and Green will likely not replicate his 2003 form. Quit bringing up the point that we are 3 years removed from 2003, because it is irrelevant.
In 2004, we probably should have sucked but we had Brett Favre. I remember a writer once said that Green Bay didn't realize how bad a team it was. Without Brett Favre, the Packers would not have won a game. That was all due to Sherman's horrible work at GM, and 2005 was rock bottom.
We have to rebuild, and I would say that if we are not playing decent-to-good late in 2007, then we are certainly in trouble. |
Bullseye! Man, A_T_T, you are a hell of a poster. You sure know your football. |
As do you. _________________
| Aaron Rouse wrote: | | I've got a chip on my shoulder, and it's shaped like a piece of cheese. |
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scannell0
Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 97
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| As in any sport, if Im playing or rooting, I will never "Accept that maybe we arent going to make the playoffs this year" . I'll be wired for every 3rd down and will have confidence we can win when down big. Never give up till the last second has ticked. This is preseason, this first second hasnt even come off the clock. We had a bad practice. |
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all_the_tea 
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| scannell0 wrote: | | As in any sport, if Im playing or rooting, I will never "Accept that maybe we arent going to make the playoffs this year" . I'll be wired for every 3rd down and will have confidence we can win when down big. Never give up till the last second has ticked. This is preseason, this first second hasnt even come off the clock. We had a bad practice. |
Right, but don't realistically expect a Super Bowl victory and be extremely disappointed without it. _________________
| Aaron Rouse wrote: | | I've got a chip on my shoulder, and it's shaped like a piece of cheese. |
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scannell0
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| I realistically expect a win every game. If it doesnt happen I dont beat my girlfriend, or even swear at the TV. The point is if you are a competitive person, you expect to win everytime you go out on the field and through the years, however sad it is, Ive extended that to the Pack. Im disappointed everytime they lose, so if they dont win the Super Bowl. Yes, I will be disappointed. But I held the Don Majkowski and the Randy Wright Packers to the same standard. When Im watching a game I wont "Accept that we will lose". The main point of the initial post was that the first second hasnt even been played yet and some are ready to call it a season. Im glad I dont have those folks on my team. Cause as far as Im concerned everyone is 0-0 and its anyones to win, why not us? (its a rehitorical question, I know there are a million reason, why not) but stranger things have happened. |
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ManInCharge
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 169
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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My outlook for the year was that the Packers would fall somewhere in the range of 6-10 to 8-8, although the lower end may be more realistic given 2 of the 3 preseason performances.
One thing to keep in mind is that this is a season with a lot of firsts. This is McCarthy's first year at the helm, not just with the Packers, but also as a pro coach. From what I've seen in the past, it takes awhile for teams to learn a new coach's style, standards, and personality. Look at 1999 and 2000, during the Ray Rhodes Era and Sherman's rookie year. Both coaches lost their first several games before they logged in a W. The teams picked it up towards the end of the year and finished no worse than 8-8. While I don't think we'll have a winning record, I do think that the team will begin to gel later in the season as they learn.
Also, the running game is learning a whole new scheme, with some new personnel. I believe it will work in time, but that for now it is a work in progress. The Oline will have to learn the system and each other. Sherman was fortunate to have the same 5 starters for most of his tenure, so they were comfortable with one another. Our new players will hopefully reach that comfort level, but again, it will take some time.
I could continue citing examples of new players, coaches, schemes, waterboys, etc. I think this is basically a learning year for everyone involved. Next year, depending on personnel moves, we may be a darkhorse team because the talent that we have now will be coupled with the experience they get this year. |
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