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Maz


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jer gibbons wrote:
maz- i'm down in az., and its finally about 70-75, coinciding with the spring bible ariving (sporting news draft analysis), i have had some time to ponder your exact question.


Az huh? Could never stand it down there... too hot, give me 65 and rain any day.

jer gibbons wrote:
before today i would have liked to have taken shaun cody out of usc. kind of s richard seymour type that ws most effective rushing the passer from the inside but had some versitility. meaning playing in the west you need to rush the passer on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down. we added depth today but from what I understand darby was a good run stuffer. we need a run stuffer but cody has more of the total package, long and could knock down passes. Or I like pollack personally, again because of his versatility. could jump in and play mlb if needed. I say this because of the challenges offenses are having vs. the 3-4. I know we wouldn't run that, but it would allow ius to do that if we were switch things up and not be sooooooo predictable. Would't you agree?
linebacker is the obvious #1 glaring need but there isn't anyone really worth taking in in the first unless crowder falls that low. .


I'm actually liking cody and/or pollack myself, very versitle and from what I've heard/read would not only not take too long to groom would also give us as stated more versitile talent..(something the hawks simply don't have... unless you count morris being an rb and kr.... which I don't)

Also I've been hearing grumblings that Crowder has been having some off-field issues... and I think we have enough of that with KoRob. I'm starting to wonder if blackstock may work.[/quote]

jer gibbons wrote:
taylor is overpaid and not likely to be here next year so, we MUST have aqnother cb even ifwe sign herndon. hey, we couldn't match up with curtis and macdonald. there is good depth maybe into the third but if washington out of nebraska, who runs a 4.3., is there when we pick 2nd we should take him. speed on returns as well. the cards are going to be tough tool this year.
with **** alexander whining, you'd think rb but he's toooooo greedy as he's made quite obvious lately. he won't pass on 7 million. the top 3 backs wont fall to that late and faison from UF is solid and comes from an open attack but isn't the best pass blocker. the same knock on alexander. Kay-Jay harris out west vir. I saw play a few times, 6' 230. could be there in the third. the other thing with alexander, the only teams that really need a rb can get one for much much less, I don't know if anyone would giveup more than a 3rd. and tht's puching it, because sa wants a long term deal. there's not a lot of choices out there is there? i think tht he hurt himself with the backstabbing thing and this "semi-holdout". also say an interview before the pats game this year with michael irvin talking about "getting paid" and not likking too good.
i'm just talking so please give me some feedback so that I have something to think about while i soak up the rays while I read sportsweekly on wednesdays.


Yeah Taylor was less then stellar, and I do like the depth in the draft, though I don't know how many quality/big cbs there are. I'm not sold on pac-man type players, short and speedy, especially in the west, too many physical receivers that odds are will just drag the ball down anyway, even if you are running step for step with them. I'm also thinking Rb is going to be a must pick this year... alexander is going to miss all of off season workouts, does not want to be here, and morris is no Larry Johnson, so if we want to be more then one dimensional we'll have to get a rb... maybe one that knows how to pick up a fecking blitz at that.

So, on a side note We've Picked up a few more players:
Joe Jurviscious- (pretty tough wr with good hands... maybe it'll rub off on the rest of the squad.... yeah I'm not holding my breath either)
Kelly Herndon- good cb, motivated to play, loves the game, seems like a good replacement for Ken.
Joe Tafoya- (yeah I had to look him up too) injury prone, and all in all not very impressive... I guess we just were going for depth *cough*

I'm liking this talk about picking up sharper, hes an *amazingly* solid player, reliable tough, solid tackler enough of a vet to teach our young, and somewhat promising core of lbs. I like Niko, and Isaiah I think with some more solid mentoring they will develop into a pretty strong duo... do I think they solve all our problems? hell no, but I think the addition of sharper (who can even pass rush on occasion) will be an amazing fit/fix.

Alrighty post is long enough.

-Chris.
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hawkfan68


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great points, Maz. I agree with you on Sharper. He'll be a great addition. I'm not too sold on acquiring Bentley and Tafoya. I don't think they are going to be impact players, but you never know. I do like the Hawks picking up Herndon, Jurvevicious, Fisher and Darby. Fisher is no worse that Okeafor, they're stats are nearly identical. The D-Line should be solid. I think they added some depth there. Herndon is no worse than Lucas, maybe slightly shorter. But height didn't seem like a problem for him last year as he led the AFC in Passes Defensed. They still have needs at LB, WR, OT, DE, and RB. Hopefully they can address those via the draft. The reason I put down WR is that they really need some one who's a deep threat. I saw the Kren R. interview on seahawks.com stating KRob is taking a new "attitude" towards the next season, with his off-season workouts. That's all and good, but he does this every year. Hawks need someone to stretch the defense. Plus as a security if KRob goes AWOL again. That's why I like Jerome Mathis. Mathis would be a great fit. He's got size and speed. Plus he's a return man and we all know Mo Morris isn't all that great of a return specialist. It may be a streatch to nab him in the first round but I'm not sure he'll last until our second round pick based upon his pro day and combine showing. He did great.
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Maz


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hawkfan68 wrote:
Great points, Maz. I agree with you on Sharper. He'll be a great addition. I'm not too sold on acquiring Bentley and Tafoya. I don't think they are going to be impact players, but you never know. I do like the Hawks picking up Herndon, Jurvevicious, Fisher and Darby. Fisher is no worse that Okeafor, they're stats are nearly identical. The D-Line should be solid. I think they added some depth there. Herndon is no worse than Lucas, maybe slightly shorter. But height didn't seem like a problem for him last year as he led the AFC in Passes Defensed. They still have needs at LB, WR, OT, DE, and RB. Hopefully they can address those via the draft. The reason I put down WR is that they really need some one who's a deep threat. I saw the Kren R. interview on seahawks.com stating KRob is taking a new "attitude" towards the next season, with his off-season workouts. That's all and good, but he does this every year. Hawks need someone to stretch the defense. Plus as a security if KRob goes AWOL again. That's why I like Jerome Mathis. Mathis would be a great fit. He's got size and speed. Plus he's a return man and we all know Mo Morris isn't all that great of a return specialist. It may be a streatch to nab him in the first round but I'm not sure he'll last until our second round pick based upon his pro day and combine showing. He did great.


Agreed with you in all respects, though I'm alsmot starting to think that Matt Jones may be a good option, he's going to be converted, no doubt about that, but he played D in hs (actually apparently played iron man), is 6'6", 240 lbs, 40" verticle, absurdly quick shuttle times, apparently has amazing hands, and is versitle (yay versitle), if he's around in the second I could see us going for him as, while he is a risk, he also could pay off huge as either a wr, gates esque TE, or hell even a back up safety.

I think sharper will be the key though, we need a solid lb, and if we don't have to take crowder or blackstock in first, it'll make the rest of our draft run much smoother.

-Chris.
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jer gibbons


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maz-about not being sold on the small pac-man types, what I was refering to was that we need a cb in the slot. herndon and trufant will be around for awhile as #1 and #2 Cool, so we need a replacement for taylor next year, and most third and fourth receivers are little and generally quicker. that and and a strong tackler would be ideal. marlin jackson from michigan (6'1" 200 4.5) might slip to the second. I'd say rb, but shawn will sign sooner or later. and here is a sleeper at wr . Mark Bradley from OU (6'2" 200 4.4) everaged 20 yrds. per touch last year. Clayton and Peterson got all the hype at at OU. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject: Thoughts on a trade Reply with quote

I was just coming up with a trade scenario that benefits both teams between Dolphins and Seattle. Let me know your thoughts on this one: SA, SEA's 1st round pick (#23), and 4th round pick (#126) for Junior Seau and Miami's 1st round pick (#2).
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Maz


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts on a trade Reply with quote

hawkfan68 wrote:
I was just coming up with a trade scenario that benefits both teams between Dolphins and Seattle. Let me know your thoughts on this one: SA, SEA's 1st round pick (#23), and 4th round pick (#126) for Junior Seau and Miami's 1st round pick (#2).



not really benificial to both... we don't wan't junior, and the fins would not trade out of #2 for that, as we would take a 2nd rd pick for alexander...
Maybe a deal like surtain and #2, for SA, 1st rd and 3rd rd would be more likely... though still not much of a possibility.

What is more likely is our 3rd rd for surtain. Though I honestly think we should just draft all our picks as it allows us to get more talent on a rapidly aging team that has a lot of holes. Also It's not proven that surtain could handle a moss/To/Holt. He's always covered #2 recievers never the #1s.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why wouldn't you want Junior? He's a solid LB with a couple of good years remaining. Plus he adds veteran leadership to LB core. He's proven and can help to groom a good young LB they pick up in the draft. The biggest hole that they have on this team is the MLB position, it was that the year before as well. Although, Seau is not a long term fix but can be a "right now" solution. You're right, the Dolphins would be unwilling to part with the #2 pick but it was just a thought. But with my view, I don't want to give up SA without a top three running back from the draft as a replacement. I like SA and think is very valuable to the team. I'd prefer him to come back next year. As many negative yards he got, he was able to get 1696 positive ones plus 20 tds. Without him the Seahawks would not have made it to the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that raises a Question is trufant our #1cb?
SA will sign the tender. TOOOOOOOO greedy. he'll sit ot camp, but he'll sign. when was the last time someone sat out one year to become a FA? He'll be more than happy to miss mini-camps, but he''ll there eventually.
On the Seau issue, might have some gas in the tank, but Franco Harris keeps popping into my head wen I think about that trade. Ronnie Brown is the total package, miami just dosn't need to make thqt trade this year. SA is the hawks best case scenario this year to win, there's depth at rb for a possible replacement in the 3rd, which we currently have three picks. come draft day, hopefully less a third or a fourth, plus one ILB, last name sharper. i think the head office will try to move him but not take just anything for him. They can franchise him next year and deal him then when the market is more favorable.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior Seau=Jerry Rice

I hope that the office learned their lesson last year. Yes he might bring the young guys along, but hire him as a lb coach not a player. I have nothing but respect for him and his career, but it is over.

I was glad to see Matt Jones name mentioned again. Defense? Why not! He was never afraid to hit anyone when he ran the ball, but I don't know if he has what it takes to play with nfl style recievers.
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