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givingjane 
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 465 Location: PackerLand
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: Is Mario Williams lazy? |
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I'm asking this question purely out of curiosity. Anybody who has paid attention to the draft over time has seen defensive linemen with abilities that make you swear god had been working on a new prototype. But then in some sort of tragic Greek twist, the player just doesn't have the passion to fight on every down, and turns out mediocre. While this happens with every position, Def Line really seems to have the bug.
I've heard that Mario disappears sometimes. Lazy or still needs training? _________________
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dolphan9954 
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 6961 Location: Miami
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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He isnt lazy, I think it may be lack of training, but he isn't lazy. _________________
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Cardinalsfan 
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Mario isn't lazy at all. _________________
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socalsaints 
Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 2665
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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If you're looking for the lazy D-lineman go look at Gabe Watson. _________________
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PackAttack785 
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 5971 Location: Appleton, WI
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| socalsaints wrote: | | If you're looking for the lazy D-lineman go look at Gabe Watson. |
I have also heard Ngata gets very lazy, is this true? _________________
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ditchdigger 
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 14057 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure about Williams or not, but you're definitely onto something.
Courtney Brown had all the tools to be the next Reggie White, but never really put it together for some reason.
Defensive Tackles are the most notorious for busting. This is probably due to the fact that it's more difficult for a 300+ pound man to "bring it" on every down.
I've read some reports where some NFL teams are saying that John McCargo was the best player on the Wolfpack defense, and that Williams and Lawson merely benefitted from his abilities.
Personally, I think it's a safer option picking your defensive linemen after the 1st round. When you invest a lot of money into a player who doesn't produce (as the Browns did with Brown and Warren), it hurts your team in many ways for many years. |
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socalsaints 
Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 2665
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| PackAttack785 wrote: | | socalsaints wrote: | | If you're looking for the lazy D-lineman go look at Gabe Watson. |
I have also heard Ngata gets very lazy, is this true? |
I dont know, I had read an article about him that said that. It was saying that in the Oregon/USC game he was getting owned by their line and that in the 2nd half he pretty much gave up. They said it was some sort of samoan pride thing....whatever that means.
I cant say since I didnt see the game, but when you hear a guy gives up like that it has to raise some questions marks. _________________
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givingjane 
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 465 Location: PackerLand
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| ditchdigger wrote: |
Defensive Tackles are the most notorious for busting. This is probably due to the fact that it's more difficult for a 300+ pound man to "bring it" on every down. |
You're right about it happening more with Tackles, and I think being such a big man is probably most of it.
I think for some players, another part of it is that tackle isn't as glorious of a position, cuz while an end who has a good game gets to enjoy the glory as everyone talks about his 3-sack game, tackles don't usually get that glory. They only get mentioned by the intelligent commentator who mentions that he was occupying two players for the entire game.
in other words, tackles aren't fighting for the same limelight as ends. _________________
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MonserinNC 
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4984 Location: Back in the CHIIII
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: |
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I would say yes he is very lazy.
lol......
What kind of question is this?? |
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givingjane 
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 465 Location: PackerLand
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| MonserinNC wrote: |
What kind of question is this?? |
my friend, we are simply engaging each other in a friendly discussion, weighing the potential risks by position. Personally, I think in the 1st round, linebackers are as safe a bet as you're gonna get. _________________
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Sinatra
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| if you watched NC State's O the last 2 years you'd see why he would take plays off... that O can't get a first down if you spot them 8 yards |
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packerfan466230
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I don't think he takes plays off.
In the beginning year, he was just chop-blocked and double teamed.
He works hard as you can see by his attributes. _________________
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jetsfan4life51 
Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 30516 Location: lawn guy land
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| ditchdigger wrote: | I'm not sure about Williams or not, but you're definitely onto something.
Courtney Brown had all the tools to be the next Reggie White, but never really put it together for some reason.
Defensive Tackles are the most notorious for busting. This is probably due to the fact that it's more difficult for a 300+ pound man to "bring it" on every down.
I've read some reports where some NFL teams are saying that John McCargo was the best player on the Wolfpack defense, and that Williams and Lawson merely benefitted from his abilities.
Personally, I think it's a safer option picking your defensive linemen after the 1st round. When you invest a lot of money into a player who doesn't produce (as the Browns did with Brown and Warren), it hurts your team in many ways for many years. |
ive heard that about McCargo too. i think hes a great player that no1 knows about. the Wolfpack also has a DT that is looking as a first rounder for next year. _________________
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Oregon Ducks 
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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No, Ngata isn't lazy. He doesn't go 100% every play, but it's not like he just doesn't try. It would get pretty annoying being double and triple teamed every play don't you think?
I also heard that Mario was lazy and incosistent. _________________
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spilltray
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 8740 Location: Green Bay, WI
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Look at Mario's stats from the past 2 seasons on a game by game breakdown.
Both years he has a few monster games, a few so-so games and a few that it doesn't even look like he showed up.
That's a red flag for me. Say what you want about double teams and cut blocks, but he's going to get both if he performs like everyone thinks he can. If that's all it takes to neutralize him, the NFL OLs will be able to do it too.
Laziness? maybe, maybe not. Inconsistencey, assuredly.
He may be great. He may be a bust, we'll have to see. |
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