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Best player of the bunch?
Darren Sharper
26%
 26%  [ 5 ]
Ha-Ha Clinton Dix
10%
 10%  [ 2 ]
LeRoy Butler
36%
 36%  [ 7 ]
Nick Collins
26%
 26%  [ 5 ]
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NoJobBob


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Rank these four Packers safeties Reply with quote

Alphabetically:
Darren Sharper
Ha-Ha Clinton Dix
Leroy Butler
Nick Collins

Ranking on how good of players they were throughout their careers. A few rules... use projection for HHCD, and don't take into consideration that Sharper played for multiple teams and is scum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. LeRoy Butler.....easy pick in my mind
2. Darren Sharper....ball hawk but got burned too often to be #1
3. Nick Collins....too bad about the injuries because he was damn good
4. Ha-Ha.....need to see a little more out of him
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4. Ha-Ha CD
I'm not sold on him being that good. I just rewatched the Titans game from last year not too long ago and Ha-Ha had one of the worst games I've ever seen from an NFL safety. He's going to improve though.

3. Darren Sharper
Big plays and interceptions, but he's not exactly a "safe"ty, not the hardest hit tin' safety in da league.

2. Nick Collins
All around great player.

1. LeRoy Butler
He had it all. Hard hitter, great ball hawk, and a good safety net.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4. Butler. Don't think he'd be fast enough for the back end today.
3. Nick Collins. Alright, but was nothing amazing.
2. Ha-Ha.
1. Darren Sharper. Gotta put a premium on elite ball hawks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RuralBill wrote:
4. Butler. Don't think he'd be fast enough for the back end today.
3. Nick Collins. Alright, but was nothing amazing.
2. Ha-Ha.
1. Darren Sharper. Gotta put a premium on elite ball hawks.


Putting Haha above Collins is nothing short of laughable.

Collins was borderline elite at one point. If you want to say he was nothing amazing, so be it....but Haha has never come close to the heights Collins hit. If not for health issues, Collins likely would have been one the top safeties in the game the last several years.

And I know the OP said "use projection for Haha"....but by that logic, you could just rank Haha as the best safety ever....even if there is nothing to base it on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharper
Butler
Collins
Dix
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Nick Collins
2. Darren Sharper
3. LeRoy Butler
4. HaHa Clinton-Dix
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren Sharper was easily the worst on this list. High interception totals don't make you good.

1. Nick Collins
2. LeRoy Butler
3. HHCD
4. Darren Sharper
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Left_Side! wrote:
1. LeRoy Butler.....easy pick in my mind
2. Darren Sharper....ball hawk but got burned too often to be #1
3. Nick Collins....too bad about the injuries because he was damn good
4. Ha-Ha.....need to see a little more out of him


For the list and for the explanations, I agree.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jakuvious wrote:
Left_Side! wrote:
1. LeRoy Butler.....easy pick in my mind
2. Darren Sharper....ball hawk but got burned too often to be #1
3. Nick Collins....too bad about the injuries because he was damn good
4. Ha-Ha.....need to see a little more out of him


For the list and for the explanations, I agree.
I would definitely have Collins above Sharper. Sharper was flashy but Collins was no slouch in that department either and was light years better everywhere else. I have no problem with people ranking Sharper higher based on longevity but Collins was the better player at their respective peaks.

HaHa needs to play more to rank among these other three so he's last by default and Butler is clearly #1.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketchup wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
Left_Side! wrote:
1. LeRoy Butler.....easy pick in my mind
2. Darren Sharper....ball hawk but got burned too often to be #1
3. Nick Collins....too bad about the injuries because he was damn good
4. Ha-Ha.....need to see a little more out of him


For the list and for the explanations, I agree.
I would definitely have Collins above Sharper. Sharper was flashy but Collins was no slouch in that department either and was light years better everywhere else. I have no problem with people ranking Sharper higher based on longevity but Collins was the better player at their respective peaks.

HaHa needs to play more to rank among these other three so he's last by default and Butler is clearly #1.


OP said throughout their careers, so Collins short career has to put him below Sharper IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Nick Collins
2. LeRoy Butler
3. Darren Sharper
4. HaHa Clinton-Dix
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketchup wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
Left_Side! wrote:
1. LeRoy Butler.....easy pick in my mind
2. Darren Sharper....ball hawk but got burned too often to be #1
3. Nick Collins....too bad about the injuries because he was damn good
4. Ha-Ha.....need to see a little more out of him


For the list and for the explanations, I agree.
I would definitely have Collins above Sharper. Sharper was flashy but Collins was no slouch in that department either and was light years better everywhere else. I have no problem with people ranking Sharper higher based on longevity but Collins was the better player at their respective peaks.

HaHa needs to play more to rank among these other three so he's last by default and Butler is clearly #1.


I can't decide if Butler was better than Collins. It is a damn shame Nick's career was cut short like it was. And I agree, Ha Ha needs to show more but his arrow is pointing up. I know Sharper was good but when I found out what a creep he is that clouds my judgement on him. I know it isn't fair but as a woman guys like him to me are monsters and I don't care how great he was on the gridiron.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Butler is easily best and Haha is 4th. I think Sharper and Collins were pretty close
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is actually a little tricky because you have to account for different things. For me:

Butler
Collins
Clinton-Dix
Sharper

Butler was everything you want in a S for that era. People talk about Reggie White, but Butler was the brains of the D.

Collins might have been the best of the bunch but he took some time to develop and then just as it was all clicking his career ended. Still a great S, but he could have been an all time great.

Clinton-Dix is just hitting his prime. He's already played well, and I fully expect him to be an Ace S for the foreseeable future.

Sharper was never as good as advertised. He would freelance and blow big plays more often than is acceptable from a FS. Its easier to notice when it worked though so he got more praise for his successes than blame for his failures. He was a good player, but I believe Butler is a debatable HoF candidate, Collins could have been, and it's way to early to tell for Clinton-Dix, but Sharper is not even in that level of discussion.
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