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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject: How do we get Allen fired! Reply with quote

Is their anyway that Allen can be fired? I believe he is hurting our team beyond measure. I wish that Snyder would fire him and put Doug in charge! That would make Cousins feel that the team was finally going in the right direction. Let's see: The coach wants to keep you. The new GM wants to keep you and the owner fired the guy who was screwing you. Just might put him in the frame of mind that this team wants to put a consistent playoff contender out their like the Steelers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well first welcome to the board, I like your first post lol.

I don't know what the answer to your question is. I mean he's already survived trading 3 firsts and a 2nd for a historically awful QB. He's survived admitting that he needed someone to run the football side of things (McCloughan) and then somehow being able to push that person out of the organization and regain his former control. Honestly being terrible at his job hasn't gotten him fired.

So the best way IMO is for Cousins to offer to resign with the team only if Bruce Allen is fired. But I doubt that happens.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: How do we get Allen fired! Reply with quote

Cavalier wrote:
Is their anyway that Allen can be fired? I believe he is hurting our team beyond measure. I wish that Snyder would fire him and put Doug in charge! That would make Cousins feel that the team was finally going in the right direction. Let's see: The coach wants to keep you. The new GM wants to keep you and the owner fired the guy who was screwing you. Just might put him in the frame of mind that this team wants to put a consistent playoff contender out their like the Steelers.


We need Wikileaks to hack his email and expose him

Or compromising pictures

A hacker is needed lol lol

You're right he's safe for now until he's used all his name based capital up and political connections for the new stadium he's trying to get built in northern Virginia
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: How do we get Allen fired! Reply with quote

Cavalier wrote:
Is their anyway that Allen can be fired? I believe he is hurting our team beyond measure. I wish that Snyder would fire him and put Doug in charge! That would make Cousins feel that the team was finally going in the right direction. Let's see: The coach wants to keep you. The new GM wants to keep you and the owner fired the guy who was screwing you. Just might put him in the frame of mind that this team wants to put a consistent playoff contender out their like the Steelers.
Raise at least $1.6 billion but most likely more so we can buy the team from Dan Snyder and have a team team that is owned by the fans like the Packers.

Snyder approves of what Bruce is doing, if he didn't, Dan would fire him. Bruce is Dan's new Vinny, Bruce is Dan's yes man.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: How do we get Allen fired! Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Cavalier wrote:
Is their anyway that Allen can be fired? I believe he is hurting our team beyond measure. I wish that Snyder would fire him and put Doug in charge! That would make Cousins feel that the team was finally going in the right direction. Let's see: The coach wants to keep you. The new GM wants to keep you and the owner fired the guy who was screwing you. Just might put him in the frame of mind that this team wants to put a consistent playoff contender out their like the Steelers.
Raise at least $1.6 billion but most likely more so we can buy the team from Dan Snyder and have a team team that is owned by the fans like the Packers.

Snyder approves of what Bruce is doing, if he didn't, Dan would fire him. Bruce is Dan's new Vinny, Bruce is Dan's yes man.


This ^^^

You could also start boycotting games and buying merchandise and let Redskins Park know why.

Dan has already had to take out thousands of seats to prevent the team from not selling out. Dan cares about $$ more than anything. And snything that messes with that, will eventually force his hand
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only way to do it is to hit Danny in the pockets. Redskins fans as a group are pretty stupid people though, just look at the comments on Kurt'a instagram
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: How do we get Allen fired! Reply with quote

Cavalier wrote:
Is their anyway that Allen can be fired? I believe he is hurting our team beyond measure. I wish that Snyder would fire him and put Doug in charge! That would make Cousins feel that the team was finally going in the right direction. Let's see: The coach wants to keep you. The new GM wants to keep you and the owner fired the guy who was screwing you. Just might put him in the frame of mind that this team wants to put a consistent playoff contender out their like the Steelers.


BTW - welcome to the board. Please post in the "Getting to Know You" thread so we can get to know you better!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since coming to the Redskins, I honestly don't know anything that Allen did right? As mentioned above, he is a yes man, he has no PR skills, and seems to only have the interest of a new stadium in mind, which cannot come until 2026 mind you, when the FedEx lease is up.

That is potentially 7 more years of the inability to create a winner, which is the bottom line to filling Dan's pockets.

Winning will get people in the seats more. Prices don't look so bad when the team wins.

The other point is, 80% of Redskins fans don't have a clue of who George Allen is and how he relates to Bruce.

To literally screw any chance this team had of winning by toying with the only franchise QB this team has seen in the last 25 years (or more considering the last Superbowl win was in 1992 and Rypien was not considered the franchise QB as they brought in Rich Gannon and John Freisz to compete) is one of the biggest mistakes he has made among the many.

Firing Scot McCloughan because he was better than you and was getting the credit for building a contender. That's a big one.

Releasing that statement a few days ago, trying to push blame back to Cousins and preying on the fact that many people would not look at the numbers closely and call him out or point out that the guaranteed money Bruce mentioned, was literally what they would pay him for this year and next under the tags. So Cousins would get a ~$300k bump from being under the tags to signing a LTD. No wonder he didn't sign.

The fact that Cousins came out and said, no amount of money could have gotten him to sign the LTD. Could that be because he may not like Bruce and does not want to be under him or have him get credit for locking in Cousins? No clue.

Bottom line: The only way to get Bruce Allen relieved of his duties, barring a scandal with him and the owner in a hotel room, is to consistently blame Allen while the team loses money. Snyder has to see him as a liability much like Cerrato had been once he got promoted and then things will change.

Until then, watching the Redskins is like having a front row ticket to the circus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since coming to the Redskins, I honestly don't know anything that Allen did right? As mentioned above, he is a yes man, he has no PR skills, and seems to only have the interest of a new stadium in mind, which cannot come until 2026 mind you, when the FedEx lease is up.

That is potentially 7 more years of the inability to create a winner, which is the bottom line to filling Dan's pockets.

Winning will get people in the seats more. Prices don't look so bad when the team wins.

The other point is, 80% of Redskins fans don't have a clue of who George Allen is and how he relates to Bruce.

To literally screw any chance this team had of winning by toying with the only franchise QB this team has seen in the last 25 years (or more considering the last Superbowl win was in 1992 and Rypien was not considered the franchise QB as they brought in Rich Gannon and John Freisz to compete) is one of the biggest mistakes he has made among the many.

Firing Scot McCloughan because he was better than you and was getting the credit for building a contender. That's a big one.

Releasing that statement a few days ago, trying to push blame back to Cousins and preying on the fact that many people would not look at the numbers closely and call him out or point out that the guaranteed money Bruce mentioned, was literally what they would pay him for this year and next under the tags. So Cousins would get a ~$300k bump from being under the tags to signing a LTD. No wonder he didn't sign.

The fact that Cousins came out and said, no amount of money could have gotten him to sign the LTD. Could that be because he may not like Bruce and does not want to be under him or have him get credit for locking in Cousins? No clue.

Bottom line: The only way to get Bruce Allen relieved of his duties, barring a scandal with him and the owner in a hotel room, is to consistently blame Allen while the team loses money. Snyder has to see him as a liability much like Cerrato had been once he got promoted and then things will change.

Until then, watching the Redskins is like having a front row ticket to the circus.


Finishing up that last sentence:

"...when the elephants attack their trainers and rampage throughout the big top."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're winning off the field guys!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezy Fanatic wrote:
We're winning off the field guys!!!


Woo hoo!!!
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The only things Allen did right are:

1. Get our salary cap/financial house in order. Compared to last decade our franchise's salary cap is run like a dream. Of course there's another side to that which I believe has caused us to miss on some players we could have signed like Mike Mitchell in 2014 to be our FS and now with Kirk. Bruce has been a little too worried about getting players on team friendly deals since he's been here and he's lowballed some of our players, Kirk Cousins is the perfect and latest example and it's one of the reasons he wasn't re-signed long term in each of the last two offseaons.

2. 2014 we had a pretty good draft (Murphy, Moses, Long, Breeland & Grant) and they signed Jason Hatcher, DeSean Jackson and Colt Mccoy in 2014. The first two players were key cogs that helped us win our last division championship in 2015 and we hosted a playoff game. Sadly we lost but it was a pretty good offseason, better than most we've had in the last 17 years. Mccoy played well vs the Cowboys & Colts in 2014 and has been a good back up qb.

3. I think he and others have done a good job this offseason in the draft and in free agency but not signing Kirk overshadows all of that the last two offseaons so there's that also. It also remains to be seen how Johnathan Allen and the other draft picks do as well as Terrelle Pryor and the defensive free agents that Bruce signed. We'll have to wait and see how those pieces do.

All in all Bruce has clearly screwed up more things than what he's fixed or done well but it hasn't been all bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike23md wrote:
Since coming to the Redskins, I honestly don't know anything that Allen did right? As mentioned above, he is a yes man, he has no PR skills, and seems to only have the interest of a new stadium in mind, which cannot come until 2026 mind you, when the FedEx lease is up.

That is potentially 7 more years of the inability to create a winner, which is the bottom line to filling Dan's pockets.

Winning will get people in the seats more. Prices don't look so bad when the team wins.

The other point is, 80% of Redskins fans don't have a clue of who George Allen is and how he relates to Bruce.

To literally screw any chance this team had of winning by toying with the only franchise QB this team has seen in the last 25 years (or more considering the last Superbowl win was in 1992 and Rypien was not considered the franchise QB as they brought in Rich Gannon and John Freisz to compete) is one of the biggest mistakes he has made among the many.

Firing Scot McCloughan because he was better than you and was getting the credit for building a contender. That's a big one.

Releasing that statement a few days ago, trying to push blame back to Cousins and preying on the fact that many people would not look at the numbers closely and call him out or point out that the guaranteed money Bruce mentioned, was literally what they would pay him for this year and next under the tags. So Cousins would get a ~$300k bump from being under the tags to signing a LTD. No wonder he didn't sign.

The fact that Cousins came out and said, no amount of money could have gotten him to sign the LTD. Could that be because he may not like Bruce and does not want to be under him or have him get credit for locking in Cousins? No clue.

Bottom line: The only way to get Bruce Allen relieved of his duties, barring a scandal with him and the owner in a hotel room, is to consistently blame Allen while the team loses money. Snyder has to see him as a liability much like Cerrato had been once he got promoted and then things will change.

Until then, watching the Redskins is like having a front row ticket to the circus.
Financially the Redskins have taken a bit of a hit the last 4 seasons to so as you and Thai have pointed out and Forbes points that out in their article of the net worth of the NFL franchises.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/washington-redskins/

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The Redskins have finished in last place in their division six of the past eight seasons, although they topped their division the other two years, including in 2015. The team's surprising 2015 season included the largest comeback in team history when the 'Skins rallied from a 24-0 deficit to beat the Buccaneers 31-30 in October. QB Kirk Cousins led the NFL in completion percentage. Cousins breakout season--he also set a team record for passing yards--forced the Redskins to put the franchise tag on him, which carries a $20 million salary for 2016.

...the Redskins average attendance at FedEx Stadium fell nearly 1,800 fans per game. Average attendance is off 12,000 fans per game since the late 2000s.

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What makes this tough is it's not about performance. We are a terribly managed organization who fired their best front office guy. Now we are going to lose our pro bowl QB. This shouldn't ever happen

Just watched a profile on SF and Kyle Shanahan. I hated some of his playcalling but I think that organization with Lynch is much better positioned for success. Vegas has them winning 5 games and Redskins winning 7.5. So even with Kurt we are less than a 500 team? Inexcusable, but Brice had his fall guys he's blamed year after year after year. Poor Doug Williams. Docs bold prediction: SF equals or exceeds our win total in 2017 as Percy Wetmore is correct and surprising hasn't been hired by Don.

Does this qualify as me being a glass half full or half empty guy?

Glass filling up in a few seconds and toasting to Brice's future with the Redskins

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Doc Draper wrote:
What makes this tough is it's not about performance. We are a terribly managed organization who fired their best front office guy. Now we are going to lose our pro bowl QB. This shouldn't ever happen

Just watched a profile on SF and Kyle Shanahan. I hated some of his playcalling but I think that organization with Lynch is much better positioned for success. Vegas has them winning 5 games and Redskins winning 7.5. So even with Kurt we are less than a 500 team? Inexcusable, but Brice had his fall guys he's blamed year after year after year. Poor Doug Williams. Docs bold prediction: SF equals or exceeds our win total in 2017 as Percy Wetmore is correct and surprising hasn't been hired by Don.

Does this qualify as me being a glass half full or half empty guy?

Glass filling up in a few seconds and toasting to Brice's future with the Redskins
We'll see what happens. Kurt isn't gone yet, and we haven't played the season yet. If our new WRs and our defense are better than what Vegas and most project then we should win more games than last year - as long our FG makes clutch kicks also - and then they all may be singing kumbaya next Jan/Feb and we'll re-sign Kirk, Pryor and Zach Brown on long term deals because they'll all want to stay and continue building something.


Kyle & Lynch have a lot to prove also. They've done a good job so far but all they've been so far is "offseason champs" let's see how their team performs.
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