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Will the Redskins trade Kirk Cousins before this year's trade deadline?
No, his tag number is too rich to move
22%
 22%  [ 6 ]
No, the Redskins still want to keep him and will try again next offseason
37%
 37%  [ 10 ]
No, no one else thinks he is worth it either
3%
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Yes, might as well get some return value before he bolts or forces his way out
22%
 22%  [ 6 ]
Yes, he clearly doesn't want to be in DC
14%
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: 2018 Divorce seeming Inevitable, Redskins trade Cousins? Reply with quote

It might seem unlikely if not impossible, but the Skins have to be considering it after that public statement shoving all the blame on him. Could this happen?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't want him there. HE doesn't want to be their. Get the 49ers first rounder and be done with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would anyone trade us anything for him? They can't negotiate a long term deal with him now, so they would be in the same situation we are in with him next year.

The Redskins won't trade him for anything less than a 3rd round pick, which is what we'll receive as a comp pick if he leaves. Why would a team trade more than a 3rd for someone they can sign in FA next year?

No trade will happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Skins will regret it when they're back to square 1 trying to find a QB when they had one.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He will be in San Francisco next year.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
He will be in San Francisco next year.

I feel like that's been a forgone conclusion since like March.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MKnight82 wrote:
Why would anyone trade us anything for him? They can't negotiate a long term deal with him now, so they would be in the same situation we are in with him next year.

The Redskins won't trade him for anything less than a 3rd round pick, which is what we'll receive as a comp pick if he leaves. Why would a team trade more than a 3rd for someone they can sign in FA next year?

No trade will happen.

I agree that the tender (which would have to be signed in order for him to be traded) is effectively prohibitive to any trade at this point, as the amount of teams with the remaining available cap space to take on Cousins' ~$24m 2017 cap-hit are limited and would have leverage in terms of being able to try and grind down the Skins' value of the player.

That said, this notion of you'd 'get a 3rd if he leaves' is a slightly flawed response. You would, but you'd also have to wait until 2019 for that 3rd round pick (which would then be the 33rd pick of the 3rd round). If you don't think a GM - who might well think he may not even be there by that time to make that pick - wouldn't take a 2018 4th round pick in lieu of that 2019 late, late 3rd, you're kinda crazy.

As to why a team might have interest in trading for him... it's an interesting conundrum. As we all know, Franchise QB's are a valuable and extraordinarily limited commodity and if a team doesn't have one they're trying to get one. It's not all that dissimilar to the Paul George situation in the NBA - many people perceived that with one year remaining on his deal, he'd bail for the Lakers as soon as he could, so that diminished his trade value. So if we regard the Niners as the Lakers in this instance, yes, there's little reason for the Niners to trade anything for Cousins as they'd perceive themselves as the favorites to sign him if he hits FA next year.

But, just as as hypothetic, say Minnesota hadn't traded a 1st last year to get Bradford following Teddy's injury. You don't think, and heck they could still have interest but at diminished value, they'd have interest in acquiring Cousins and trying to play the OKC who tries to convince the player that he's closer to winning a ring with them than with a rebuilding team?

The contract is ultimately prohibitive because the CBA wouldn't allow the acquiring team to move any of that cap-hit around (he could be extended but he'd already be guaranteed the tender amount and would have no reason to "let that count as bonus money" nor could the hit of the tender be shifted from 2017) . But there would most definitely be teams interested in trading for him if that weren't the case.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LBC wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Why would anyone trade us anything for him? They can't negotiate a long term deal with him now, so they would be in the same situation we are in with him next year.

The Redskins won't trade him for anything less than a 3rd round pick, which is what we'll receive as a comp pick if he leaves. Why would a team trade more than a 3rd for someone they can sign in FA next year?

No trade will happen.

I agree that the tender (which would have to be signed in order for him to be traded) is effectively prohibitive to any trade at this point, as the amount of teams with the remaining available cap space to take on Cousins' ~$24m 2017 cap-hit are limited and would have leverage in terms of being able to try and grind down the Skins' value of the player.

That said, this notion of you'd 'get a 3rd if he leaves' is a slightly flawed response. You would, but you'd also have to wait until 2019 for that 3rd round pick (which would then be the 33rd pick of the 3rd round). If you don't think a GM - who might well think he may not even be there by that time to make that pick - wouldn't take a 2018 4th round pick in lieu of that 2019 late, late 3rd, you're kinda crazy.

As to why a team might have interest in trading for him... it's an interesting conundrum. As we all know, Franchise QB's are a valuable and extraordinarily limited commodity and if a team doesn't have one they're trying to get one. It's not all that dissimilar to the Paul George situation in the NBA - many people perceived that with one year remaining on his deal, he'd bail for the Lakers as soon as he could, so that diminished his trade value. So if we regard the Niners as the Lakers in this instance, yes, there's little reason for the Niners to trade anything for Cousins as they'd perceive themselves as the favorites to sign him if he hits FA next year.

But, just as as hypothetic, say Minnesota hadn't traded a 1st last year to get Bradford following Teddy's injury. You don't think, and heck they could still have interest but at diminished value, they'd have interest in acquiring Cousins and trying to play the OKC who tries to convince the player that he's closer to winning a ring with them than with a rebuilding team?

The contract is ultimately prohibitive because the CBA wouldn't allow the acquiring team to move any of that cap-hit around (he could be extended but he'd already be guaranteed the tender amount and would have no reason to "let that count as bonus money" nor could the hit of the tender be shifted from 2017) . But there would most definitely be teams interested in trading for him if that weren't the case.


I pretty much figured that the Redskins' unusual go-public-with-the-numbers gambit was designed to cover their corporate behinds when, inevitably, Cousins leaves as a free agent for greener artificial turfs. They want to show their soon-to-be-disappointed fans that they did indeed make a serious offer commensurate with top-quarterback worth.

However, I suppose the prospect of throwing the ball to Stefon Diggs and Lacquon Treadmill might entice Cousins to Minnesota!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LBC wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Why would anyone trade us anything for him? They can't negotiate a long term deal with him now, so they would be in the same situation we are in with him next year.

The Redskins won't trade him for anything less than a 3rd round pick, which is what we'll receive as a comp pick if he leaves. Why would a team trade more than a 3rd for someone they can sign in FA next year?

No trade will happen.

I agree that the tender (which would have to be signed in order for him to be traded) is effectively prohibitive to any trade at this point, as the amount of teams with the remaining available cap space to take on Cousins' ~$24m 2017 cap-hit are limited and would have leverage in terms of being able to try and grind down the Skins' value of the player.

That said, this notion of you'd 'get a 3rd if he leaves' is a slightly flawed response. You would, but you'd also have to wait until 2019 for that 3rd round pick (which would then be the 33rd pick of the 3rd round). If you don't think a GM - who might well think he may not even be there by that time to make that pick - wouldn't take a 2018 4th round pick in lieu of that 2019 late, late 3rd, you're kinda crazy.

As to why a team might have interest in trading for him... it's an interesting conundrum. As we all know, Franchise QB's are a valuable and extraordinarily limited commodity and if a team doesn't have one they're trying to get one. It's not all that dissimilar to the Paul George situation in the NBA - many people perceived that with one year remaining on his deal, he'd bail for the Lakers as soon as he could, so that diminished his trade value. So if we regard the Niners as the Lakers in this instance, yes, there's little reason for the Niners to trade anything for Cousins as they'd perceive themselves as the favorites to sign him if he hits FA next year.

But, just as as hypothetic, say Minnesota hadn't traded a 1st last year to get Bradford following Teddy's injury. You don't think, and heck they could still have interest but at diminished value, they'd have interest in acquiring Cousins and trying to play the OKC who tries to convince the player that he's closer to winning a ring with them than with a rebuilding team?

The contract is ultimately prohibitive because the CBA wouldn't allow the acquiring team to move any of that cap-hit around (he could be extended but he'd already be guaranteed the tender amount and would have no reason to "let that count as bonus money" nor could the hit of the tender be shifted from 2017) . But there would most definitely be teams interested in trading for him if that weren't the case.

The Redskins would also have to sit out of FA so the don't cancel out the contract Cousins is gonna get. And we all know that won't happen. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trade him for Oladipo
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so why did DC put the exclusive tender on him and not the non exclusive? at least see if some team bites so you could get some picks out of him
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I counted 8 teams or 25 % of the league who have the cap space to trade for him tomorrow
At least 4 of them would be happy to have Cousins at QB

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

honestly i think he just walks to san fran when this year ends.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bananabucket wrote:
Trade him for Oladipo

Someone stepped their game up! This post is fantastic.
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Shanedorf wrote:
I counted 8 teams or 25 % of the league who have the cap space to trade for him tomorrow
At least 4 of them would be happy to have Cousins at QB

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

Engh. No one is maxing out their cap space before the regular season even starts. Notice how almost every team save one left themselves $5-6m in space? That's operating budget - ability to eat dead money if releasing high contract vets who have seen their starting spots usurped or to sign injury-replacements (who don't exactly come at the vet minimum if we're talking about guys coming into starting spots).

I'd say the field is realistically 3 teams, one of which is the Niners who are sitting the catbird seat, and another being the Jets who have already eaten a ton of dead money this season, would effectively nuke all their remaining cap space, and still have QB's on their roster they're determined to evaluate. So unless the Jags or Browns really want to make a run at him - the contract is pretty much prohibitive to all but three of the teams that would have interest.
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