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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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game3525 wrote:
Why? Confused


The better question is why not?


4 years. 40-23-1 record. 3 playoff appearances. 3 division titles. 3 playoff wins. 1 super bowl appearance.
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Gettleman has also done great work in FA. Ted Ginn, Mike Mitchell, Charles Tillman, Kurt Coleman, Mario Addison, Drayton Florence, Quintin Mikell, etc. were all bargain bin deals who turned into solid or good starters.

And people talking about having issues with signing contracts... he made Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, and KK Short some of the highest paid players in the NFL. Thomas Davis, Mike Tolbert, and J-Stew got plenty of money off him. We just gave Oher a big deal last season.

This is just a baffling fire. Why not keep Beane and promote Don Gregory or something. Dumb. We're pretty much doomed unless Cam and Luke go ape sh*t in the same year and get us a title.


I don't think its so much that deals don't get done, its the process that it has taken to get them done. He has created a reputation that hurts the environment around the organization. Carolina has one of the best cultures in the league and JR clearly made a decision in favor of maintaining that culture.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Belichick is not a "people person" and has been ripped by numerous players he's let go in the past.

He's done great work for Carolina and I don't think "not getting along with players" is a good enough reason to get rid of someone with his resume.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

panther dude wrote:
Zithers wrote:
Gettleman has also done great work in FA. Ted Ginn, Mike Mitchell, Charles Tillman, Kurt Coleman, Mario Addison, Drayton Florence, Quintin Mikell, etc. were all bargain bin deals who turned into solid or good starters.

And people talking about having issues with signing contracts... he made Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, and KK Short some of the highest paid players in the NFL. Thomas Davis, Mike Tolbert, and J-Stew got plenty of money off him. We just gave Oher a big deal last season.

This is just a baffling fire. Why not keep Beane and promote Don Gregory or something. Dumb. We're pretty much doomed unless Cam and Luke go ape sh*t in the same year and get us a title.


I don't think its so much that deals don't get done, its the process that it has taken to get them done. He has created a reputation that hurts the environment around the organization. Carolina has one of the best cultures in the league and JR clearly made a decision in favor of maintaining that culture.


He fired a very good GM who had proven he could surround his QB with talent and has drafted some pretty good players. Reputation aside, you don't get very far as an NFL team by firing people who are good at their jobs.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Panthers fans were laughing at Ozzie because he was being placed in the top 5 over Gettleman in FF a year ago. Maybe this will teach them just how tough it is to maintain a competitive team in this league. And now the Ravens are trending up, Panthers are trending down.
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panther dude wrote:

I don't think its so much that deals don't get done, its the process that it has taken to get them done. He has created a reputation that hurts the environment around the organization. Carolina has one of the best cultures in the league and JR clearly made a decision in favor of maintaining that culture.


How has he hurt the environment? By making players... play out their contracts? And cutting them if they aren't playing up to their contracts? That's how sports work. Why is Greg Olsen complaining about a contract when he's making $6.5m this year and is almost certainly a lock for an extension afterward? Why the hell are we trying to not hurt Thomas Davis' feelings when the guy is already guaranteed a statue? Especially since we have his obvious replacement on board already. I mean, good lord, if the Panthers go down in flames because Gettleman didn't want to extend TD (who is going to decline sooner than later) or Olsen a year early...
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The owners always have a Fall Guy, the players are just now catching up on that concept
Goodell takes a ton of crap from the fans, but he's just the front man for the owners and they use him like a Shield. The less- than- astute fans haven't figured that part out yet and vent their anger on Roger. But Goodell doesn't do anything the owners haven't already signed off on...he's just the front man doing their bidding.

Same deal here: Jerry Richardson had Gettleman as the Bad Cop to his Good Cop and most of the time that works out OK. The owner gets to be the benevolent and beloved guy while the GM takes all the heat for the difficult decisions- especially with older players who were fan favorites...that need to be let go as prudent business decisions. Gettleman didn't do anything that Jerry hadn't signed off on, but the way he did it may have been indelicate.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zithers wrote:
panther dude wrote:

I don't think its so much that deals don't get done, its the process that it has taken to get them done. He has created a reputation that hurts the environment around the organization. Carolina has one of the best cultures in the league and JR clearly made a decision in favor of maintaining that culture.


How has he hurt the environment? By making players... play out their contracts? And cutting them if they aren't playing up to their contracts? That's how sports work. Why is Greg Olsen complaining about a contract when he's making $6.5m this year and is almost certainly a lock for an extension afterward? Why the hell are we trying to not hurt Thomas Davis' feelings when the guy is already guaranteed a statue? Especially since we have his obvious replacement on board already. I mean, good lord, if the Panthers go down in flames because Gettleman didn't want to extend TD (who is going to decline sooner than later) or Olsen a year early...


I just don't think the team trusted management. I think when you're pinching productive and respected contributing veterans and letting guys like Josh walk for nothing it hurts the cohesion of the unit. I go back to the patient approach I mentioned. It's a Super Bowl roster and he in effect left the team out to dry last season. I think there's a feeling of us against them where they have to perform despite the decision maker which is unhealthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wackywabbit wrote:
RuskieTitan wrote:
game3525 wrote:
Why? Confused


The better question is why not?


4 years. 40-23-1 record. 3 playoff appearances. 3 division titles. 3 playoff wins. 1 super bowl appearance.


0 Super Bowl titles.
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RavensDefense3 wrote:
And Panthers fans were laughing at Ozzie because he was being placed in the top 5 over Gettleman in FF a year ago. Maybe this will teach them just how tough it is to maintain a competitive team in this league. And now the Ravens are trending up, Panthers are trending down.


The Ravens have finished 3rd in their division 3 times out of the past 4 seasons, and have 1 playoff appearance during that time. Perhaps let's wait and see them make the playoffs after a 2 year drought before proclaiming they are trending up.
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And Panthers fans were laughing at Ozzie because he was being placed in the top 5 over Gettleman in FF a year ago. Maybe this will teach them just how tough it is to maintain a competitive team in this league. And now the Ravens are trending up, Panthers are trending down.


The Ravens have finished 3rd in their division 3 times out of the past 4 seasons, and have 1 playoff appearance during that time. Perhaps let's wait and see them make the playoffs after a 2 year drought before proclaiming they are trending up.


We were inches away from beating out the Steelers for that AFC north crown just this past season. We could've easily gone 9-7 instead of 8-8 if we didn't choose to play our practice squad players in a meaningless final game of the season against the Bengals, actually it was not meaningless because we got a better draft spot. This was with our franchise QB returning from a season ending injury which clearly effected his play.(Flacco had 70 something rating first half of the season, and 90 something the 2nd half.) Our defense is back to being top 10 at worst also. Ravens are definitely trending up. Missing play offs 2 seasons in a row is not a lot in this league. If our OL holds up, the Ravens will be one of the most complete teams in the NFL this season.
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RavensDefense3 wrote:
RuskieTitan wrote:
RavensDefense3 wrote:
And Panthers fans were laughing at Ozzie because he was being placed in the top 5 over Gettleman in FF a year ago. Maybe this will teach them just how tough it is to maintain a competitive team in this league. And now the Ravens are trending up, Panthers are trending down.


The Ravens have finished 3rd in their division 3 times out of the past 4 seasons, and have 1 playoff appearance during that time. Perhaps let's wait and see them make the playoffs after a 2 year drought before proclaiming they are trending up.


We were inches away from beating out the Steelers for that AFC north crown just this past season. We could've easily gone 9-7 instead of 8-8 if we didn't choose to play our practice squad players in a meaningless final game of the season against the Bengals, actually it was not meaningless because we got a better draft spot. This was with our franchise QB returning from a season ending injury which clearly effected his play.(Flacco had 70 something rating first half of the season, and 90 something the 2nd half.) Our defense is back to being top 10 at worst also. Ravens are definitely trending up. Missing play offs 2 seasons in a row is not a lot in this league. If our OL holds up, the Ravens will be one of the most complete teams in the NFL this season.


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Norman should have gotten paid by them.
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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Panthers are expected to re-hire ex-general manager Marty Hurney on an "interim" basis.

Per Pelissero, Hurney met with owner Jerry Richardson on Tuesday. Hurney would run the team in 2017 as it "(uses the) coming months to vet full-time candidates." The Panthers' general manager from 2002-12, it has to be assumed there's a chance Hurney reclaims his old job on a permanent basis. Hurney assembled a few solid rosters from 2003-08, but things went off the rails due to poor drafts and even worse salary cap management. The Panthers are taking a gigantic step backward from Dave Gettleman. It's frankly surreal this is the way things are unfolding in Charlotte.


Davis and Olsen gonna love them 5 year/50 mil extensions. Welp, back to cap hell and mediocrity.
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wackywabbit wrote:
RuskieTitan wrote:
game3525 wrote:
Why? Confused


The better question is why not?


4 years. 40-23-1 record. 3 playoff appearances. 3 division titles. 3 playoff wins. 1 super bowl appearance.
Very little of which has to do with him.

One of his greatest moves in office was signing Ted Ginn.


Think about that.
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