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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingseanjohn wrote:
Some of you guys are crazy. Losing Dorsey hurts. No need for denial.

Hopefully we can find someone as good as Dorsey was at finding talent.
Just saying man

We couldn't run, couldn't stop the run

Couldn't pass effectively, couldn't rush the passer.

These are kinda big parts of a winning football team and we won despite major deficiencies there.
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Chiefer wrote:
kingseanjohn wrote:
Some of you guys are crazy. Losing Dorsey hurts. No need for denial.

Hopefully we can find someone as good as Dorsey was at finding talent.
Just saying man

We couldn't run, couldn't stop the run

Couldn't pass effectively, couldn't rush the passer.

These are kinda big parts of a winning football team and we won despite major deficiencies there.



Don't talk to me about not being able to stop the run and Sutton still has a JOB.
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Chiefer wrote:
kingseanjohn wrote:
Some of you guys are crazy. Losing Dorsey hurts. No need for denial.

Hopefully we can find someone as good as Dorsey was at finding talent.
Just saying man

We couldn't run, couldn't stop the run

Couldn't pass effectively, couldn't rush the passer.

These are kinda big parts of a winning football team and we won despite major deficiencies there.


Just to play Devils Advocate.. we couldn't run or pass effectively last year,, yet we extended our Head Coach who is an offensive mind?
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Just to play Devils Advocate.. we couldn't run or pass effectively last year,, yet we extended our Head Coach who is an offensive mind?
Just to play Devils Advocate, Andy Reid has plenty of negatives to his game, play calling, clock management, allegience to a lousy DC, etc., so maybe it's time for a clean sweep again, including the HC?

Well it's awful cozy for Reid now. Spend the king's gold for a QB that needs Reid for development. Very difficult to excuse Reid now even if he deserves it.
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samsel23 wrote:
Chiefer wrote:
kingseanjohn wrote:
Some of you guys are crazy. Losing Dorsey hurts. No need for denial.

Hopefully we can find someone as good as Dorsey was at finding talent.
Just saying man

We couldn't run, couldn't stop the run

Couldn't pass effectively, couldn't rush the passer.

These are kinda big parts of a winning football team and we won despite major deficiencies there.


Just to play Devils Advocate.. we couldn't run or pass effectively last year,, yet we extended our Head Coach who is an offensive mind?

Crazy right?

But the players didn't have a will to win before Reid got here.
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But the players didn't have a will to win before Reid got here.
Oh pleeeease!! Gimme a break. Dwayne Bowe yes. J.Charles? Uh, no. It's the job of a new GM and HC is to weed out slackers. Reid and Dorsey didn't do anything new regiems normally do. Reid isn't suddenly omnipotent because he did what he was supposed to do. Both Dorsey and Reid misjudged Bowe's ability and character.
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Chiefer wrote:
kingseanjohn wrote:
Some of you guys are crazy. Losing Dorsey hurts. No need for denial.

Hopefully we can find someone as good as Dorsey was at finding talent.
Just saying man

We couldn't run, couldn't stop the run

Couldn't pass effectively, couldn't rush the passer.

These are kinda big parts of a winning football team and we won despite major deficiencies there.


This is just non-sense.

We were middle of the pack in yards per game and yards per play, total, passing, and rushing, on offense. We could run and pass just fine. We just were not great at either.

We were admittedly subpar in run defense.

But your post suggest we were bad in basically everything but special teams and pass coverage, and it's impossible to win that way. This desperate need to trash our team to justify the firing of Dorsey is just irrational.
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mayanfootball wrote:
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Just to play Devils Advocate.. we couldn't run or pass effectively last year,, yet we extended our Head Coach who is an offensive mind?
Just to play Devils Advocate, Andy Reid has plenty of negatives to his game, play calling, clock management, allegience to a lousy DC, etc., so maybe it's time for a clean sweep again, including the HC?

Well it's awful cozy for Reid now. Spend the king's gold for a QB that needs Reid for development. Very difficult to excuse Reid now even if he deserves it.


I agree with Reid's extension, as much as I don't like him at times. It was the right move.

Just saying if Reid deserved to not be extended just as much as Dorsey, which IMO wasn't a whole lot of reason.
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So now they are saying Dorsey was fired because he would make decisions by himself without letting anyone know about it and sometimes it would appear a knee jerk reaction type thing. You know just like how Hunt fired Dorsey.

Hypocrite.
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So now they are saying Dorsey was fired because he would make decisions by himself without letting anyone know about it and sometimes it would appear a knee jerk reaction type thing. You know just like how Hunt fired Dorsey.

Hypocrite.
I'm good with Dorsey making independent decisions. That's what he gets paid to do. I'm Ok with Hunt firing Dorsey too. He writes the checcks. My problem is that Hunt owes the team, fans an explaination. What does Hunt expect from his GM? What message did he intend to send to the team, fans and prospective GM candidates?
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mayanfootball wrote:
valkrei wrote:
So now they are saying Dorsey was fired because he would make decisions by himself without letting anyone know about it and sometimes it would appear a knee jerk reaction type thing. You know just like how Hunt fired Dorsey.

Hypocrite.
I'm good with Dorsey making independent decisions. That's what he gets paid to do. I'm Ok with Hunt firing Dorsey too. He writes the checcks. My problem is that Hunt owes the team, fans an explaination. What does Hunt expect from his GM? What message did he intend to send to the team, fans and prospective GM candidates?


Agreed with all of this.


The message to me.... is it was only okay for Dorsey to make decisions if Reid and Hunt okay'd them. Why even have a GM? Get a guy who just says Yes okay we will do that. Just a glorified scout IMO.
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samsel23 wrote:
mayanfootball wrote:
valkrei wrote:
So now they are saying Dorsey was fired because he would make decisions by himself without letting anyone know about it and sometimes it would appear a knee jerk reaction type thing. You know just like how Hunt fired Dorsey.

Hypocrite.
I'm good with Dorsey making independent decisions. That's what he gets paid to do. I'm Ok with Hunt firing Dorsey too. He writes the checcks. My problem is that Hunt owes the team, fans an explaination. What does Hunt expect from his GM? What message did he intend to send to the team, fans and prospective GM candidates?


Agreed with all of this.


The message to me.... is it was only okay for Dorsey to make decisions if Reid and Hunt okay'd them. Why even have a GM? Get a guy who just says Yes okay we will do that. Just a glorified scout IMO.


If this report is true, then I'm in agreement. Let a GM be a GM, let the coach coach and let the owner collect the profits. That's about the order it should go in as well. Hopefully this wasn't a knee jerk reaction with the Reid/Maclin relationship.

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samsel23 wrote:
mayanfootball wrote:
valkrei wrote:
So now they are saying Dorsey was fired because he would make decisions by himself without letting anyone know about it and sometimes it would appear a knee jerk reaction type thing. You know just like how Hunt fired Dorsey.

Hypocrite.
I'm good with Dorsey making independent decisions. That's what he gets paid to do. I'm Ok with Hunt firing Dorsey too. He writes the checcks. My problem is that Hunt owes the team, fans an explaination. What does Hunt expect from his GM? What message did he intend to send to the team, fans and prospective GM candidates?


Agreed with all of this.


The message to me.... is it was only okay for Dorsey to make decisions if Reid and Hunt okay'd them. Why even have a GM? Get a guy who just says Yes okay we will do that. Just a glorified scout IMO.


If it's as you describe, that could certainly be unfortunate, needing Reid and Hunt to okay them. But you need discussion with major roster decisions. You don't want your GM making major signings, trades, cuts, or draft picks without consulting the head coach. You don't want the GM to have to ask permission, or something, but you don't want your GM making a bunch of roster moves without getting the guys who then have to coach and develop those players on board.

If cutting Maclin, for instance, happened completely without Reid and/or Hunt knowing, I would absolutely say that's a major problem.
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Jakuvious wrote:
samsel23 wrote:
mayanfootball wrote:
valkrei wrote:
So now they are saying Dorsey was fired because he would make decisions by himself without letting anyone know about it and sometimes it would appear a knee jerk reaction type thing. You know just like how Hunt fired Dorsey.

Hypocrite.
I'm good with Dorsey making independent decisions. That's what he gets paid to do. I'm Ok with Hunt firing Dorsey too. He writes the checcks. My problem is that Hunt owes the team, fans an explaination. What does Hunt expect from his GM? What message did he intend to send to the team, fans and prospective GM candidates?


Agreed with all of this.


The message to me.... is it was only okay for Dorsey to make decisions if Reid and Hunt okay'd them. Why even have a GM? Get a guy who just says Yes okay we will do that. Just a glorified scout IMO.


If it's as you describe, that could certainly be unfortunate, needing Reid and Hunt to okay them. But you need discussion with major roster decisions. You don't want your GM making major signings, trades, cuts, or draft picks without consulting the head coach. You don't want the GM to have to ask permission, or something, but you don't want your GM making a bunch of roster moves without getting the guys who then have to coach and develop those players on board.

If cutting Maclin, for instance, happened completely without Reid and/or Hunt knowing, I would absolutely say that's a major problem.


Very true, I can definitely see that side of it.

Could also have been Dorsey doing this because he thought it would be the best thing for the team and he knew Reid/Hunt wouldn't okay the move if he brought it to them.

Too many unknowns to pick a side,, but I will say Andy is a players coach. He sticks his neck out for his guys, this can be a good thing and a bad thing. I will say I don't think cutting Maclin will affect our offense that much with Smith at QB. He's a good player, but we can't justify paying a WR that much if the QB can't consistently find the open WR in progressions. I think our cap space and how little we used Maclin played a big role in releasing him, and Andy being a players coach and loving Maclin wouldn't have okay'd this move, even though i doubt it affects us that much offensively.

Kind if a lose-lose situation for Dorsey in that regard; keep Maclin and continue overpaying for how we utilize him, or cut him and have the coach/owner disagree with the move
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My opinion for what it's worth is that the Maclin thing, HOW it was handled was the final straw. We don't have a clue how long there were indicators things wouldn't work out. For what it's worth Hunt was trying to re-sign Dorsey up until recently we were told. This is why I think Ballard was allowed to leave. Knowing he was good for the team. When it became clear a deal wouldn't work, I think Hunt did the classy thing by letting Dorsey go. If his future wasn't here, let the guy go where he believes is best for him. Yeah it hurts us, but it was the right thing to do on a personal level.

All that being said, it sucks, egg on the face of a franchise that has a pretty damn good history of doing things the right way. Just like the Maclin thing.

Really wish we'd see Elliot Wolff's name pop up.
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