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Jakuvious


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chiefer wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
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samsel23 wrote:
Sooo dumb
meh the Dorsey regime is a mixed bag.

Great picks and bad ones. But a misunderstanding of cap/deals, and a lot of rookie moves.


Since Dorsey came on, we've had one of the best ratios of great to bad picks in the NFL We've been a phenomenal drafting team.
I know that man, I'm just trying to soften the blow.

But if Dorsey was really causing all this internal strife, that's a problem. Can't have that in an organization.


And I get that. But we should call it what it is. He's a great talent evaluator at GM. He's a mediocre cap manager. And he's apparently a total prick. No need to try to pivot on the first point because the other two got him fired.

I will say, with some time to read and some time to think, I'm at least starting to understand the move. I think we were all a little confused at the time how long some of our resignings were taking, particularly with Houston and Berry. Charles definitely seemed uncharacteristically upset on his way out, as did Maclin. And I have no doubt that the Maclin situation probably has Alex Smith pretty upset right now, though he's too good to say anything. So if he's spent the last two years upsetting stars and key locker room players, that can be a legitimate problem. When the whole Maclin situation came out, it seemed so unlike our team. We've never been the organization known for crappy PR moves or handling coach or player movement poorly. Even when we've had high profile guys leave over the years like Gonzalez, or surprise cuts like Flowers, they've never been high animosity situations.
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He's a great talent evaluator at GM.
Not so much. Nico Johnson, 3rd.rd. blow up. K.Russell, 3rd.rd. disaster. P.Gaines, 3rd.rd., invisible man. These should be roster locks that build a team up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's a great talent evaluator at GM.
Not so much. Nico Johnson, 3rd.rd. blow up. K.Russell, 3rd.rd. disaster. P.Gaines, 3rd.rd., invisible man. These should be roster locks that build a team up.


yea but if you list the hits. there are some really good ones, and the overall depth of the roster has been fantastic from what he inherited.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

valkrei wrote:
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He's a great talent evaluator at GM.
Not so much. Nico Johnson, 3rd.rd. blow up. K.Russell, 3rd.rd. disaster. P.Gaines, 3rd.rd., invisible man. These should be roster locks that build a team up.


yea but if you list the hits. there are some really good ones, and the overall depth of the roster has been fantastic from what he inherited.

The drafting has been better than average. What set Dorsey apart was his knack for finding free talent. He will probably land another job finding talent--but not handling contracts.

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He's a great talent evaluator at GM.
Not so much. Nico Johnson, 3rd.rd. blow up. K.Russell, 3rd.rd. disaster. P.Gaines, 3rd.rd., invisible man. These should be roster locks that build a team up.


The fact that those are his worst picks is proof, honestly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see a negative impact losing Dorsey and Ballard in a single offseason.
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Death, taxes, Andy Reid coming off a bye week.
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I see a negative impact losing Dorsey and Ballard in a single offseason.


I think you will find a high number of people that agree with this for sure.
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Some interesting pieces by Mellinger and Paylor:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article158155634.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article158092674.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article157737484.html
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Some interesting pieces by Mellinger and Paylor:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article158155634.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article158092674.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article157737484.html


You mean you hire the guy to Be the GM and you don't like how he does things. #1 Did he cross any ethical boundries? No. #2 Did he help turn the franchise around and set them up for future success? Yes.

Clark Hunt Failed his fans on this one. And Everyone knows it, he needs to admit failure before he ends up with a defamination suit from Dorsey.
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valkrei wrote:
KC_Guy wrote:
Some interesting pieces by Mellinger and Paylor:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article158155634.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article158092674.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article157737484.html


You mean you hire the guy to Be the GM and you don't like how he does things. #1 Did he cross any ethical boundries? No. #2 Did he help turn the franchise around and set them up for future success? Yes.

Clark Hunt Failed his fans on this one. And Everyone knows it, he needs to admit failure before he ends up with a defamination suit from Dorsey.


Pretty much this. I don't think Reid wanted full control of the FO, but I do think he wanted a final say in overruling him. I don't blame Dorsey in the slightest, sounds like we needed more of a Yes man sitting at the top.

We'll see how it turns out, but Dorsey did a great job making this roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well can't do much about it now.

So names Ive heard for new GM are

Brett Veach(yes man)
Louis Riddick(yes man, not yet contacted)
Scott Fitterer(Seattle guy)
Ryan Cowden(Titans)

I'm actually interested in the a Titans guy, really like the pieces they've put together around Mariota recently. Might just be a guy who knows what it's like having a young QB at the helm.

Gotta work well with Reid though, which makes me think Veach is top priority.
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Chiefer wrote:
Oh well can't do much about it now.

So names Ive heard for new GM are

Brett Veach(yes man)
Louis Riddick(yes man, not yet contacted)
Scott Fitterer(Seattle guy)
Ryan Cowden(Titans)

I'm actually interested in the a Titans guy, really like the pieces they've put together around Mariota recently. Might just be a guy who knows what it's like having a young QB at the helm.

Gotta work well with Reid though, which makes me think Veach is top priority.


Cowden's an interesting guy for sure, started at the bottom of the scouting ladder and has worked his way up to #2 for Robinson in Nashville (though he's only held that position for 1 year after a long stint in Carolina). No idea if he's interested in making the jump to GM just yet but those opportunities don't come around forever.

The overall situation is pretty great with the roster and fanbase, but for a young guy with little to no connection to Reid and some pretty serious cap limitations it may not be the best fit (and not the best long term job security either). I could see him being more selective like Ballard, Paton (MIN), and a few others have been over the years.
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but Dorsey did a great job making this roster.
Maybe to some extent.
But drafting wasn't a strongsuit. Many 3rd. round picks that should have been roster locks, slipped away. Our last draft stunk. Ok with PM2, Tanoh, Hunt, Chesson then what? We had maybe 10 DP's? Then no CB's in a CB strong draft. Now we have weakness opposite Peters. No worthy ILB's where we need 2. This is supposed to be a 3-4 defense strength. We still suck. Dorsey failed the team to land ILB's last year too. We also got no OL backup.

Handling money wasn't a strength and really put a pinch on molding a more potent roster.
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I honestly felt that last year we won Moreso because we have the will to win then on our talent being so much better

We couldn't stop the run, couldn't run the ball. Couldn't rush the passer and couldn't pass the ball

Our safeties are great, as is the DL potentially.
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Some of you guys are crazy. Losing Dorsey hurts. No need for denial.

Hopefully we can find someone as good as Dorsey was at finding talent.
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