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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm somewhat surprised because it seemed to me like the recent moves the team made (signing Hogan, trading for Cooks) coupled with the emergence of Malcolm Mitchell suggested that the team was ready to move on from Edelman. But I guess they feel like he still has something to contribute beyond 2017.


Edelman is just a different receiver with a different skillset than the names you mentioned. He's critical for what New England does working in and around the hash marks.
Well the other thing is that he's also going to be the same age that Wes Welker was when the Pats cut bait with him and has quite an injury history.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starless wrote:
KennyBania wrote:
Starless wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised because it seemed to me like the recent moves the team made (signing Hogan, trading for Cooks) coupled with the emergence of Malcolm Mitchell suggested that the team was ready to move on from Edelman. But I guess they feel like he still has something to contribute beyond 2017.


Edelman is just a different receiver with a different skillset than the names you mentioned. He's critical for what New England does working in and around the hash marks.
Well the other thing is that he's also going to be the same age that Wes Welker was when the Pats cut bait with him and has quite an injury history.


Welker had concussion issues that piled up and he was a shell of himself two years after leaving the Patriots. They also knew they had Edeleman waiting in the wings.

Edelman is crucial to the Patriots offense and is really the old faithful hand that you can feed the ball to so Brady gets in a rhythm and it opens up other plays.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starless wrote:
KennyBania wrote:
Starless wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised because it seemed to me like the recent moves the team made (signing Hogan, trading for Cooks) coupled with the emergence of Malcolm Mitchell suggested that the team was ready to move on from Edelman. But I guess they feel like he still has something to contribute beyond 2017.


Edelman is just a different receiver with a different skillset than the names you mentioned. He's critical for what New England does working in and around the hash marks.
Well the other thing is that he's also going to be the same age that Wes Welker was when the Pats cut bait with him and has quite an injury history.


Welker also had concussion issues and showed signs of decline. Edelman still looks to be in his prime.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KennyBania wrote:
Starless wrote:
KennyBania wrote:
Starless wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised because it seemed to me like the recent moves the team made (signing Hogan, trading for Cooks) coupled with the emergence of Malcolm Mitchell suggested that the team was ready to move on from Edelman. But I guess they feel like he still has something to contribute beyond 2017.


Edelman is just a different receiver with a different skillset than the names you mentioned. He's critical for what New England does working in and around the hash marks.
Well the other thing is that he's also going to be the same age that Wes Welker was when the Pats cut bait with him and has quite an injury history.


Welker also had concussion issues and showed signs of decline. Edelman still looks to be in his prime.


Do people not remember Welker's first season in Denver? Manning reset the record books that year....Granted it was soon after that Welker completely fell off the face of the Earth, but nothing really suggested he was declining when he left the Patriots.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patsfan25 wrote:
KennyBania wrote:
Starless wrote:
KennyBania wrote:
Starless wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised because it seemed to me like the recent moves the team made (signing Hogan, trading for Cooks) coupled with the emergence of Malcolm Mitchell suggested that the team was ready to move on from Edelman. But I guess they feel like he still has something to contribute beyond 2017.


Edelman is just a different receiver with a different skillset than the names you mentioned. He's critical for what New England does working in and around the hash marks.
Well the other thing is that he's also going to be the same age that Wes Welker was when the Pats cut bait with him and has quite an injury history.


Welker also had concussion issues and showed signs of decline. Edelman still looks to be in his prime.


Do people not remember Welker's first season in Denver? Manning reset the record books that year....Granted it was soon after that Welker completely fell off the face of the Earth, but nothing really suggested he was declining when he left the Patriots.


I think BB was more concerned about years two and three of a potential contract with Welker.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does Edelman enjoy being hosed often? That's an incredibly cheap deal considering what he's coming off of and his ability to fit into the league's top 10.


Details come out to about $7.5m / year maximum value I believe? That's about 21st / 22nd highest in the NFL on an annual basis. (Incentives, guarantees, etc may change this)

Edelman isn't a top 10 WR.. I doubt we'd be putting him in the top 25 if he were playing somewhere else.


7.5M AAV only applies if he hits all of the incentives. If we look at guaranteed $ and straight base $ that's nowhere close to top 20's. And in this market the discount is even more extreme. Edelman got less AAV base $ than Adam Thielen & a fading Brandon Marshall, and way less $ than Robert Woods, Kenny Stills, Kenny Britt and D-Jax, all who got 8-10M AAV deals this offseason. No matter how you cut it that's insane.

Edelman gave a discount to guarantee he'd keep playing in NE for 2018-19. It's his call but it's hard to paint this as anything but a huge discount to NE.


Those guys signed deals as FA, not as a 31 YO WR getting money a year early.
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PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Was going to say the same thing. Branden Cooks has a skill set that's more in line with what Edelman does.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DingoLadd wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


You must be new to football....
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DingoLadd wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Actually, he is right.

They aren't similar at all. Hogan is a legit downfield threat.
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patsfan25 wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


You must be new to football....


Sarcasm obviously. Hogan may be a different player but I don't doubt he could fill the slot receiver role.
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DingoLadd wrote:
patsfan25 wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


You must be new to football....


Sarcasm obviously. Hogan may be a different player but I don't doubt he could fill the slot receiver role.


Julio Jones can play in the slot. so can Odell Beckham Jr. and Antonio Brown.

are they all similar to Julian Edelman too?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DingoLadd wrote:
patsfan25 wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
PatriotsWin! wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
I think this is a win for Julian Edelman because he knows he's screwed if he leaves new england.

As for the patriots Julian Edelman isn't a necessity to their offense anymore, Hogan could've easily replaced his role in the offense and done just as well. I get why they did it but with the injury history Edelman has and all the weapons the patriots have this seems like a waste of money. But who am I to doubt Bill Bellicheck.


Only thing Edelman and Hogan have in common is that they're both white. Completely different players with very different skill sets.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


You must be new to football....


Sarcasm obviously. Hogan may be a different player but I don't doubt he could fill the slot receiver role.
Yeah, because it's so easy to be a slot receiver. Rolling Eyes
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