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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


I understand this feeling but don't agree. I don't believe jones has a guaranteed contract. If correct we know he won't be on our team and is untradable, ok maybe we could get a conditional 7th rounder in 2023. So " do the right thing" and release him so he can try to get a job. Who knows maybe the Giants sign him and we win by recovering one of his numerous fumbles.

I don't like playing games with a guys ability to have a job. Wasn't his fault we drafted him and have him poor coaching. Just didn't work out so just move on
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mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


Didn't you just make a thread a week ago asking if we were giving up on him too quickly?
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Doc Draper wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


I understand this feeling but don't agree. I don't believe jones has a guaranteed contract. If correct we know he won't be on our team and is untradable, ok maybe we could get a conditional 7th rounder in 2023. So " do the right thing" and release him so he can try to get a job. Who knows maybe the Giants sign him and we win by recovering one of his numerous fumbles.

I don't like playing games with a guys ability to have a job. Wasn't his fault we drafted him and have him poor coaching. Just didn't work out so just move on
That would be what's best for him, but if I'm a GM or HC, I'd want to get something for him. I'd run him into the ground in preseason game 1, 2 and especially 4. Then, I'd try to trade him for anything. Who knows, we could swap him for a young defensive player who's fallen out of favor with their current team. Then, that'd be a win, win for both clubs.
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turtle28 wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


I understand this feeling but don't agree. I don't believe jones has a guaranteed contract. If correct we know he won't be on our team and is untradable, ok maybe we could get a conditional 7th rounder in 2023. So " do the right thing" and release him so he can try to get a job. Who knows maybe the Giants sign him and we win by recovering one of his numerous fumbles.

I don't like playing games with a guys ability to have a job. Wasn't his fault we drafted him and have him poor coaching. Just didn't work out so just move on
That would be what's best for him, but if I'm a GM or HC, I'd want to get something for him. I'd run him into the ground in preseason game 1, 2 and especially 4. Then, I'd try to trade him for anything. Who knows, we could swap him for a young defensive player who's fallen out of favor with their current team. Then, that'd be a win, win for both clubs.


Agreed.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


I understand this feeling but don't agree. I don't believe jones has a guaranteed contract. If correct we know he won't be on our team and is untradable, ok maybe we could get a conditional 7th rounder in 2023. So " do the right thing" and release him so he can try to get a job. Who knows maybe the Giants sign him and we win by recovering one of his numerous fumbles.

I don't like playing games with a guys ability to have a job. Wasn't his fault we drafted him and have him poor coaching. Just didn't work out so just move on
That would be what's best for him, but if I'm a GM or HC, I'd want to get something for him. I'd run him into the ground in preseason game 1, 2 and especially 4. Then, I'd try to trade him for anything. Who knows, we could swap him for a young defensive player who's fallen out of favor with their current team. Then, that'd be a win, win for both clubs.


Agreed.
Matt Jones for Sheldon Richardson? Sign me up!
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turtle28 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


I understand this feeling but don't agree. I don't believe jones has a guaranteed contract. If correct we know he won't be on our team and is untradable, ok maybe we could get a conditional 7th rounder in 2023. So " do the right thing" and release him so he can try to get a job. Who knows maybe the Giants sign him and we win by recovering one of his numerous fumbles.

I don't like playing games with a guys ability to have a job. Wasn't his fault we drafted him and have him poor coaching. Just didn't work out so just move on
That would be what's best for him, but if I'm a GM or HC, I'd want to get something for him. I'd run him into the ground in preseason game 1, 2 and especially 4. Then, I'd try to trade him for anything. Who knows, we could swap him for a young defensive player who's fallen out of favor with their current team. Then, that'd be a win, win for both clubs.


Agreed.
Matt Jones for Sheldon Richardson? Sign me up!
There is no chance that the Jets would do this deal. No one is going to trade for Matt Jones, unless is someone else's scrub player that's about to be cut too.
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MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
jones seems like a whiny baby. Redskins should stick it to him and wait to cut him until the 4th preseason game


I understand this feeling but don't agree. I don't believe jones has a guaranteed contract. If correct we know he won't be on our team and is untradable, ok maybe we could get a conditional 7th rounder in 2023. So " do the right thing" and release him so he can try to get a job. Who knows maybe the Giants sign him and we win by recovering one of his numerous fumbles.

I don't like playing games with a guys ability to have a job. Wasn't his fault we drafted him and have him poor coaching. Just didn't work out so just move on
That would be what's best for him, but if I'm a GM or HC, I'd want to get something for him. I'd run him into the ground in preseason game 1, 2 and especially 4. Then, I'd try to trade him for anything. Who knows, we could swap him for a young defensive player who's fallen out of favor with their current team. Then, that'd be a win, win for both clubs.


Agreed.
Matt Jones for Sheldon Richardson? Sign me up!
There is no chance that the Jets would do this deal. No one is going to trade for Matt Jones, unless is someone else's scrub player that's about to be cut too.


exactly! so there is needless drama and a potential opportunity cost for keeping a guy (you may recall his name was striken from the record in a post last year) who you know will not be on the team. and I think its a bad karma thing too- screw people over and guess what- you take it up the backside yourself (and Im not talking a Greg Toler style pegging from a supermodel, but more like a prison pegging from a guy named Jumbo)

On the opportunity cost-maybe there is a free agent we can sign with his spot that has a chance to make the practice squad and help us in the future.
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You guys are probably right, but you just never know. If a team is going to cut one of their guys and we think that guy might make our team then a trade could happen and other teams could have injuries to their running backs in the preseason and then they might want to trade for Jones. We should hold on to him. I don't think he's that much of a distraction and doesn't cause much drama because he's quiet, not a big media guy, not a qb and not a star. This is not like an RG3 situation from 2015.
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Matt Jones’s best play heading into minicamp: Work his tail off

In crowded field of Redskins running backs, Matt Jones faces uphill battle in regaining coaches’ confidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/06/12/matt-joness-best-play-heading-into-minicamp-work-his-[inappropriate/removed]-off/

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When the full squad reports for mandatory minicamp Tuesday, Coach Jay Gruden expects Jones, who is still under contract, to take part. “He’s on our roster,” Gruden noted last week. “He’s eating up a spot.”

“Show up and work his [inappropriate/removed] off and compete!” said Mitchell, who played 14 seasons as an NFL running back and return specialist. “He may not completely regain the coaches’ trust, but there are other teams looking. Right now, the feeling is he was afraid to compete and quit on his team.”

Clinton Portis, who ranks second to John Riggins in career rushing yards as a Redskin, thinks that Jones suffered for not having to compete initially for the featured running-back role after the front office soured on incumbent Alfred Morris, who never missed a start in four years in Washington.

“They moved Alfred Morris aside and said, ‘Hey, here’s our new great back!’’ Portis noted. “Then Matt Jones has the job, but he didn’t go about things the right way. He never took it to the next level, and there’s only so many times a coach will tell you to fix something. And if you don’t fix it, they’ll eventually go with somebody else, and that’s what they did. He never had competition, and he shied away from it once he had to fight to get his job back.”

Portis thinks Jones would be better off getting a fresh start elsewhere.

“It’s hard to redeem yourself when you have Rob Kelley, who’s suddenly the lead dog and he’s had a taste of what it’s like, and Chris Thompson is healthy, and now they have Samaje Perine, and they have Mack Brown, who they like, but we haven’t seen a lot of,” Portis notes. “There’s way more competition at that spot than it was when Matt Jones lost this job. [He’s] seeing all this competition, and he’s such a humble kid that it kind of backfired. Now he’s been dropped way down the depth chart, and he’s gone about it the wrong way when it comes to fighting to get that job back.”

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Agent for RB Matt Jones wants Redskins to release him | Pro32: Head to Head

http://pro32.ap.org/williamsondailynews/article/agent-rb-matt-jones-wants-redskins-release-him
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Agent for RB Matt Jones wants Redskins to release him | Pro32: Head to Head

http://pro32.ap.org/williamsondailynews/article/agent-rb-matt-jones-wants-redskins-release-him


its a punk move by Bruce Allen, but Bruce has always been a punk. I think he will wait a little longer, get some more negative press generated by Jones agent, then Bruce will plant/leak some negative stories to the press how Jones isn't coachable, he's overweight, or had been drinking, like he always does then cave and release him something that should have and could have been resolved long ago. I am moving from disliking Bruce and a much stronger hate. He is such a simpleton too because he follows the same stupid playbook for all of his actions. Bruce is the perfect sidekick for Danny
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turtle28 wrote:
Agent for RB Matt Jones wants Redskins to release him | Pro32: Head to Head

http://pro32.ap.org/williamsondailynews/article/agent-rb-matt-jones-wants-redskins-release-him


its a punk move by Bruce Allen, but Bruce has always been a punk. I think he will wait a little longer, get some more negative press generated by Jones agent, then Bruce will plant/leak some negative stories to the press how Jones isn't coachable, he's overweight, or had been drinking, like he always does then cave and release him something that should have and could have been resolved long ago. I am moving from disliking Bruce and a much stronger hate. He is such a simpleton too because he follows the same stupid playbook for all of his actions. Bruce is the perfect sidekick for Danny


I'm starting to think you are wearing a tin foil hat!!
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turtle28 wrote:
Agent for RB Matt Jones wants Redskins to release him | Pro32: Head to Head

http://pro32.ap.org/williamsondailynews/article/agent-rb-matt-jones-wants-redskins-release-him


its a punk move by Bruce Allen, but Bruce has always been a punk. I think he will wait a little longer, get some more negative press generated by Jones agent, then Bruce will plant/leak some negative stories to the press how Jones isn't coachable, he's overweight, or had been drinking, like he always does then cave and release him something that should have and could have been resolved long ago. I am moving from disliking Bruce and a much stronger hate. He is such a simpleton too because he follows the same stupid playbook for all of his actions. Bruce is the perfect sidekick for Danny
His devious methods are probably why Danny and him sleep in the same bed (figuratively).
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Once again, it's better for the team and Jones to showcase him in the preseason, especially in the 4th preseason game. If Jones is released now, I don't see any team signing him until they have an injury or see their back up running struggle.

It's not being a punk, it's just smart business. Any GM should keep Jones as long as they could to see if they could trade him for anything before releasing him.

As I said before, the Jets have a disgruntled Sheldon Richardson who they're probably going to lose after this season. If I'm the Jets and I'm serious about tanking, I'd trade Richardson for Jones. Jones has the size and speed to be a starting caliber back, he just has more work to do to get there. Maybe he never will but if I'm the Jets and I'm cutting starters anyways, I'd definitely trade Richardson for the chance - how ever small it may be - that Jones could be my starting running back for the next 5 plus years.

Also, if they got Jones, they could manage Matt Forte's touches more to hopefully keep him healthy all season. Given their qb situation, the Jets should be a run heavy team that runs it at least 30 times a game. If they had Jones they could split those carries between those two backs.
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Doc Draper wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Agent for RB Matt Jones wants Redskins to release him | Pro32: Head to Head

http://pro32.ap.org/williamsondailynews/article/agent-rb-matt-jones-wants-redskins-release-him


its a punk move by Bruce Allen, but Bruce has always been a punk. I think he will wait a little longer, get some more negative press generated by Jones agent, then Bruce will plant/leak some negative stories to the press how Jones isn't coachable, he's overweight, or had been drinking, like he always does then cave and release him something that should have and could have been resolved long ago. I am moving from disliking Bruce and a much stronger hate. He is such a simpleton too because he follows the same stupid playbook for all of his actions. Bruce is the perfect sidekick for Danny


I'm starting to think you are wearing a tin foil hat!![/quote


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