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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its clear the Vikings will be counting on second-year tight end David Morgan to contribute in multiple tight end sets this season after Rhett Ellison joined the Giants in free agency. Morgan has drawn praise from coaches and players as an efficient blocker, which this offense could use in short-yardage situations. Hes been moved around the formations as the second tight end alongside Kyle Rudolph throughout this spring.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings-practice-observations-laquon-treadwells-leaping-grab-backup-tackles-shuffle/428685793/
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VikeManDan wrote:
Klomp wrote:
VikeManDan wrote:
A move that has been discussed is officially official.

http://min.247sports.com/Bolt/TJ-Clemmings-moving-to-guard-for-2017-season-53167211?


Pro tip: Anything in a URL that comes after a question mark is usually unnecessary.

http://min.247sports.com/Bolt/TJ-Clemmings-moving-to-guard-for-2017-season-53167211

That just cut the link down from 315 characters to 83 characters.


Thanks! I was wondering why it was so long, I'll remember that going forward.


Second Pro tip: 247 sports has to be one of the absolute worst sports reporting groups I have ever encountered... through click bait titles, articles with lack of substance, shoddy speculation, reporting of old news, general inability to produce consistent grammar, and they generally just pull info days later from generally reputable sports news sources.
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Zimmer: I guess the biggest thing I feel good about is all those guys are on the same page. They communicate well, they talk well. Ive sat in most of the offensive line meetings. Its a good group. I was really impressed with Riley Reiff but again, this is without pads. He is a tough guy, physical guy, good with his sets. He doesnt say much, but when he says something, he means it. Remmers has done a nice job with competing with Everson Griffen every day. I think they just want to get it right. Like Reiff said to me, Ive made money in this game, I just want to win a Super Bowl. Thats kind of his mentality. I think its good for the football team.

http://www.twincities.com/2017/06/16/mike-zimmer-hopeful-about-vikings-offensive-line-running-game/
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Remmers has done a nice job with competing with Everson Griffen every day.

This was something I was trying to figure out when I first heard Zimmer say it. I'm pretty sure Remmers is still projected to play RT, so does that mean they flipped Hunter and Griffen?
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The offseason is the best time to rank stuff. On Tuesday, the analytics/analysis website Pro Football Focus published its rankings of all 32 teams offensive lines and Vikings fans will be quite pleased by the jump in ranking from the end of 2016 to the beginning of 2017.

At the end of last season, PFF scored the Vikings as the 29th rated offensive line in the NFL. In their newest rankings, Minnesota sits in the top half of the league at 14th.

Here are the PFF O-line rankings of Vikings opponents:

New Orleans Saints 16th
Pittsburgh Steelers 3rd
Tampa Bay Bucs 30th
Detroit Lions 24th
Chicago Bears 5th
Green Bay Packers 8th
Baltimore Ravens 23rd
Cleveland Browns 2nd
Washington 11th
Los Angeles Rams 18th
Atlanta Falcons 6th
Carolina Panthers 12th
Cincinnati Bengals 31st

http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2017/06/pro-football-focus-expects-big-improvement-vikings-offensive-line/
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I'd be perfectly happy with "average" after what they were last year...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd be perfectly happy with "average" after what they were last year...


Average is probably best case scenario. There is very little talent on the OL, just stop gaps. Staying healthy will be key. This OL will need continuity in reps.
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I'd be perfectly happy with "average" after what they were last year...


Average is probably best case scenario. There is very little talent on the OL, just stop gaps. Staying healthy will be key. This OL will need continuity in reps.


No proven cornerstones, but I wouldn't say that they aren't talented.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JDBrocks wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
wcblack34 wrote:
I'd be perfectly happy with "average" after what they were last year...


Average is probably best case scenario. There is very little talent on the OL, just stop gaps. Staying healthy will be key. This OL will need continuity in reps.


No proven cornerstones, but I wouldn't say that they aren't talented.

That is a scary thought. Hopefully Elflein is a start.
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vikingsrule wrote:
wcblack34 wrote:
I'd be perfectly happy with "average" after what they were last year...


Average is probably best case scenario. There is very little talent on the OL, just stop gaps. Staying healthy will be key. This OL will need continuity in reps.


No proven cornerstones, but I wouldn't say that they aren't talented.


Individually, do the Vikes even have an at average level of starter? Reiff and Remmers aren't there. Boone might be close. Berger is decent. Not sure about Center.
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vikingsrule wrote:
JDBrocks wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
wcblack34 wrote:
I'd be perfectly happy with "average" after what they were last year...


Average is probably best case scenario. There is very little talent on the OL, just stop gaps. Staying healthy will be key. This OL will need continuity in reps.


No proven cornerstones, but I wouldn't say that they aren't talented.


Individually, do the Vikes even have an at average level of starter? Reiff and Remmers aren't there. Boone might be close. Berger is decent. Not sure about Center.


Reiff is almost the literal definition of an average starting offensive tackle.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reiffs ability might be average but performance? Hasn't he mostly been below average amongst starting LTs throughout most of his career?
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vikingsrule wrote:
Reiffs ability might be average but performance? Hasn't he mostly been below average amongst starting LTs throughout most of his career?

He's been an average LT, according to PFF. Consistently grading in the mid to upper 70's.

In fact, Mike Remmers graded in the mid 70's as a RT, as did Boone at LG. Berger has consistently graded in the low 80's.
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SemperFeist wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Reiffs ability might be average but performance? Hasn't he mostly been below average amongst starting LTs throughout most of his career?

He's been an average LT, according to PFF. Consistently grading in the mid to upper 70's.

In fact, Mike Remmers graded in the mid 70's as a RT, as did Boone at LG. Berger has consistently graded in the low 80's.


How does that compare according to others at the same position?
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Well, let's put it this way, Remmers as a RT in 2015 and 2015 graded out at 72.8 and 72.1 respectively. As a comparison, TJ Clemmings' grade in 2015 as a pure RT was 39.7 (his 2016 combined grade was 28.3). Pretty significant upgrade.
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