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WindyCity


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
It may be foolish to write off Kevin White, but at the same time it's not likely that he's another Odell Beckham in waiting after his injuries.


Even if he becomes a #2 WR that is a pretty awful return on investment for the 7th overall pick.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
It may be foolish to write off Kevin White, but at the same time it's not likely that he's another Odell Beckham in waiting after his injuries.


Even if he becomes a #2 WR that is a pretty awful return on investment for the 7th overall pick.

Forget that - the #7 overall pick is a 25-month sunk cost. Coulda woulda shoulda. We took a guy with a clean injury history rated for the pick where we got him and yeah the first two years have been crap. Sorry that hasn't satisfied your need for immediate gratification, something that btw until the last 5 years or so wasn't even expected of a WR. How quickly we forget these things.

Complaining at this point that the cost was high for no return though is a loser's game, especially when the reason we've gotten nothing is not (that we know) because we picked a bad player (Shea comes to mind) but because of the uncontrollable injury factor. Does it suck? Yes. Is there anything we can do about it or any value to come out of bitching about it at every possibility? No. This isn't a Justin Gilbert situation where the uber physically talented guy just DGAF and mails it in once he got that top 10 pick money. It's the polar opposite of that.

The only thing that really matters going forward is, have the injuries lowered his ceiling, and if so, how much? If bad luck with injuries to this juncture has taken him from an extraordinarily explosive athlete to just a really good athlete then getting a solid #2 out of him is actually a pretty decent return when factoring in where we are right now, today, not 25 months ago when we drafted the completely healthy pre-injury Kevin White. If the injuries haven't limited him physically then all that's happened is that the timeline for his development got pushed back, and we are still talking about a player entering his age 25 season with several years of athletic prime ahead of him and elite physical tools who now gets to develop alongside the future franchise QB during what will still be a rebuilding season anyway.

In some regards on a bigger picture level, White's injuries may be a blessing in disguise. Most specifically, had White developed and been a big contributor the past two years it's highly likely we win more games and aren't in position to add our QB of choice last month. If Trubisky is legit then that has immense value. Also, the delay in White's availability is primarily what afforded Meredith the opportunity he would not have otherwise had to show that he too is an asset. Sometimes bad things happening turn into good things. Brady never sees the field if Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, Whitehair doesn't play center if Grasu doesn't blow out his ACL in the preseason, and so on.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ftr, for some receivers it takes 3 years to show what they got
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZBearsFan wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
It may be foolish to write off Kevin White, but at the same time it's not likely that he's another Odell Beckham in waiting after his injuries.


Even if he becomes a #2 WR that is a pretty awful return on investment for the 7th overall pick.

Forget that - the #7 overall pick is a 25-month sunk cost. Coulda woulda shoulda. We took a guy with a clean injury history rated for the pick where we got him and yeah the first two years have been crap. Sorry that hasn't satisfied your need for immediate gratification, something that btw until the last 5 years or so wasn't even expected of a WR. How quickly we forget these things.

Complaining at this point that the cost was high for no return though is a loser's game, especially when the reason we've gotten nothing is not (that we know) because we picked a bad player (Shea comes to mind) but because of the uncontrollable injury factor. Does it suck? Yes. Is there anything we can do about it or any value to come out of bitching about it at every possibility? No. This isn't a Justin Gilbert situation where the uber physically talented guy just DGAF and mails it in once he got that top 10 pick money. It's the polar opposite of that.

The only thing that really matters going forward is, have the injuries lowered his ceiling, and if so, how much? If bad luck with injuries to this juncture has taken him from an extraordinarily explosive athlete to just a really good athlete then getting a solid #2 out of him is actually a pretty decent return when factoring in where we are right now, today, not 25 months ago when we drafted the completely healthy pre-injury Kevin White. If the injuries haven't limited him physically then all that's happened is that the timeline for his development got pushed back, and we are still talking about a player entering his age 25 season with several years of athletic prime ahead of him and elite physical tools who now gets to develop alongside the future franchise QB during what will still be a rebuilding season anyway.

In some regards on a bigger picture level, White's injuries may be a blessing in disguise. Most specifically, had White developed and been a big contributor the past two years it's highly likely we win more games and aren't in position to add our QB of choice last month. If Trubisky is legit then that has immense value. Also, the delay in White's availability is primarily what afforded Meredith the opportunity he would not have otherwise had to show that he too is an asset. Sometimes bad things happening turn into good things. Brady never sees the field if Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, Whitehair doesn't play center if Grasu doesn't blow out his ACL in the preseason, and so on.


Excellent post AZ. I agree 100% with this. Can't dwell on the past and on things that happen beyond anybody's control.

At this point if White becomes something then great, and if not then that's unfortunate but reality says it's not always going to work out and sometimes you're going to take a loss even when you do your best to ensure you get a good return on your investment.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
It may be foolish to write off Kevin White, but at the same time it's not likely that he's another Odell Beckham in waiting after his injuries.


Even if he becomes a #2 WR that is a pretty awful return on investment for the 7th overall pick.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
It may be foolish to write off Kevin White, but at the same time it's not likely that he's another Odell Beckham in waiting after his injuries.


Even if he becomes a #2 WR that is a pretty awful return on investment for the 7th overall pick.
You should post this again. Twice yesterday wasn't enough
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearsfan323 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
IronMike84 wrote:
It may be foolish to write off Kevin White, but at the same time it's not likely that he's another Odell Beckham in waiting after his injuries.


Even if he becomes a #2 WR that is a pretty awful return on investment for the 7th overall pick.
You should post this again. Twice yesterday wasn't enough


Honestly didn't post it last night.

Wasn't even online last night.

Weird.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I've mentioned during the pre-draft process: this wasn't like Jerry Angelo drafting Chris Williams when other teams were taking him off of their boards for medical red flags. White was a clean, raw preopsect who was drafted about right were analysts had expected.

As the wor "bust" begins to get associated with White, I fee like there's a lot more revisionist history starting to pop up.
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