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onejayhawk


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On deeper analysis the 2004 SD draft and the 2006 NO draft are clearly the class of the decade. Using profootball-reference's Career Aproxiamate Value (CarAV) both are nearly 400. None of the others top 340. If you swap Rivers for Manning, putting each player with the team he plays for, then the 2004 Chargers draft becomes the unquestioned winner with 428.

Did anyone (else) think Rivers was that much better than Eli Manning? The difference compares with Shawn Merriman's entire career.

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BleedTheClock wrote:
2013 Browns


#6--Barkevious Mingo DE
3rd--Leon McFadden CB
6th--Jamoris Slaughter SS
7th--Armonty Bryant DE
7th--Garrett Gilkey OG

not a lot of picks, but they hit on every single one.



Almost, Armonty Bryant is actually playing... Laughing


In hindsight, this was the draft we should have traded down multiple times, but then again we had Joe Banner running the show... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BleedTheClock wrote:
2013 Browns


#6--Barkevious Mingo DE
3rd--Leon McFadden CB
6th--Jamoris Slaughter SS
7th--Armonty Bryant DE
7th--Garrett Gilkey OG

not a lot of picks, but they hit on every single one.


That draft is so bad, even the joke isn't funny....
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

profootball-reference's CarAV is a blunt instrument, but these are rough estimates, so why not.

I'll throw out these tidbits. Five of the 1990 top ten CarAV are also five of the top ten picks. However, two of the top ten Car AV were from the seventh round--Shannon Sharpe HoF TE and 12 year OG Dave Szott.

The obvious first candidate, Dallas-1991, totals 331 CarAV. This is the Hershel Walker draft. They had 5 picks in the first two rounds and found Leon Lett and Larry Brown in the 7th and 12th rounds. It also benefited from 12 rounds. They finished 3rd by my analysis.

By far, the best draft of the 1990s was Tampa-1997 far eclipsing their 1995 double HoF draft with Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks.

1997 - TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS - 375

1 12 Warrick Dunn RB Florida State
1 16 Reidel Anthony WR Florida
2 37 Jerry Wunsch T Wisconsin
3 63 Frank Middleton G Arizona
3 66 Ronde Barber CB Virginia
4 128 Alshermond Singleton LB Temple
5 137 Patrick Hape TE Alabama
6 169 Al Harris CB Texas A&M - Kingsville
6 197 Nigea Carter -- Michigan State
7 209 Anthony DeGrate -- Stephen F. Austin St.

Any draft over 300 is among the decades best. 1991 had three of them: ATL 325, DAL 331, HOU 306. Almost half the value of Atlanta's draft is Favre. That year the GB draft netted 69 points.

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the rest of the 300+ drafts from the 1990s.

1990 - GREEN BAY PACKERS - 336

1 18 Tony Bennett LB Mississippi
1 19 Darrell Thompson RB Minnesota
2 48 LeRoy Butler DB Florida State
3 75 Bobby Houston LB North Carolina State
4 102 Jackie Harris TE Louisiana-Monroe
5 132 Charles Wilson WR Memphis
6 159 Bryce Paup LB Northern Iowa
7 186 Lester Archambeau DE Stanford
8 215 Roger Brown DB Virginia Tech
9 242 Kirk Baumgartner -- Wis.-Stevens Point
10 269 Jerome Martin -- Western Kentucky
11 299 Harry Jackson -- St. Cloud State
12 325 Kirk Maggio -- UCLA

1991 - DALLAS COWBOYS - 331

1 1 Russell Maryland DT Miami (Fla.)
1 12 Alvin Harper WR Tennessee
1 20 Kelvin Pritchett DT Mississippi
2 37 Dixon Edwards LB Michigan State
3 62 Godfrey Myles LB Florida
3 64 James Richards -- California
3 70 Erik Williams T Central State (Ohio)
4 97 Curvin Richards RB Pittsburgh
4 106 Bill Musgrave QB Oregon
4 108 Tony Hill DE Tennessee-Chattanooga
4 110 Kevin Harris DE Texas Southern
5 132 Darrick Brownlow LB Illinois
6 153 Mike Sullivan G Miami (Fla.)
7 173 Leon Lett DE Emporia State
9 235 Damon Mays WR Missouri
10 264 Sean Love G Penn State
11 291 Tony Boles RB Michigan
12 320 Larry Brown CB Texas Christian

1991 - ATLANTA FALCONS - 325

1 3 Bruce Pickens CB Nebraska
1 13 Mike Pritchard WR Colorado
2 33 Brett Favre QB Southern Mississippi
4 87 Moe Gardner NT Illinois
5 114 James Goode -- Oklahoma
6 145 Erric Pegram RB North Texas
7 172 Brian Mitchell CB Brigham Young
7 186 Mark Tucker G USC
8 199 Randy Austin -- UCLA
9 226 Ernie Logan DE East Carolina
10 256 Walter Sutton -- Southwest State
10 258 Pete Lucas -- Wis.-Stevens Point
11 283 Joe Sims T Nebraska
12 310 Bob Christian RB Northwestern

1995 - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS - 314

1 23 Ty Law CB Michigan
2 57 Ted Johnson ILB Colorado
3 74 Curtis Martin RB Pittsburgh
3 88 Jimmy Hitchcock CB North Carolina
4 112 Dave Wohlabaugh C Syracuse
6 195 Dino Philyaw RB Oregon
7 234 Carlos Yancy DB Georgia

1991 - HOUSTON OILERS - 306

2 28 Mike Dumas DB Indiana
2 38 Darryll Lewis CB Arizona
2 44 John Flannery G Syracuse
3 71 Steve Jackson CB Purdue
3 79 Kevin Donnalley T North Carolina
4 101 David Rocker DT Auburn
4 102 Marcus Robertson DB Iowa State
5 129 Gary Wellman WR USC
7 183 Kyle Freeman LB Angelo State
8 214 Gary Brown RB Penn State
9 240 Shawn Jefferson WR Central Florida
10 267 Curtis Moore -- Kansas
11 294 James Smith -- Richmond
12 325 Alex Johnson WR Miami (Fla.)

1993 - GREEN BAY PACKERS - 302

1 15 Wayne Simmons OLB Clemson
1 29 George Teague FS Alabama
3 81 Earl Dotson T Texas A&M - Kingsville
5 118 Mark Brunell QB Washington
5 119 James Willis LB Auburn
6 141 Doug Evans CB Louisiana Tech
6 152 Paul Hutchins T Western Michigan
6 156 Tim Watson DB Howard
7 183 Bob Kuberski NT Navy

1996 - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS - 302

1 28 Jerome Woods DB Memphis
2 58 Reggie Tongue DB Oregon State
3 68 John Browning DT West Virginia
4 98 Donnie Edwards LB UCLA
5 135 Joe Horn WR Itawamba CC MS
6 176 Dietrich Jells WR Pittsburgh
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
7 245 Darrell Williams -- Tennessee State

300 is a pretty arbitrary cutoff. There are four drafts between 290 and 299: 1996 BAL - 297, 1993 NE - 295, 1995 TB - 295 (see previous post), 1997 MIA - 291.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obvious waaay to early but we're gonna be talking about the 2016 Dallas Cowboys draft over the next 10+ years.

Franchise QB
Franchise RB
Maliek Collins looked really good, projected 2017 starter
Anthony Brown looked good at end of season
Jaylon Smith was my favorite prospect for Buffalo before injury and top 10 prospect.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BleedTheClock wrote:
2013 Browns


#6--Barkevious Mingo DE
3rd--Leon McFadden CB
6th--Jamoris Slaughter SS
7th--Armonty Bryant DE
7th--Garrett Gilkey OG

not a lot of picks, but they hit on every single one.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldfishwars wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
2013 Browns


#6--Barkevious Mingo DE
3rd--Leon McFadden CB
6th--Jamoris Slaughter SS
7th--Armonty Bryant DE
7th--Garrett Gilkey OG

not a lot of picks, but they hit on every single one.


Laughing

That is funny. To date the whole draft has the same CarAV as Tyrann Mathieu by himself.

Green Bay is the big winner so far. Lacy and Bakhtiari are the big names. Take of them and Micah Hyde out and the rest of the draft still doubles the value of those five.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would ytake Arizona's draft. Even their 7th round pick stayed around for awhile.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: Best draft of the 1st Decade Reply with quote

onejayhawk wrote:

2005 - DALLAS COWBOYS

1 11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State
1 20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
2 42 Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee
4 109 Marion Barber RB Minnesota
4 132 Chris Canty DE Virginia
6 208 Justin Beriault DB Ball State
6 209 Rob Petitti T Pittsburgh
7 224 Jay Ratliff DE Auburn




Putting together the foundation of a great front 7 like this in one draft class is pretty impressive. It's one thing to draft a 3-4 OLB that would go on to become the standard at the position over an era, but they also drafted their entire DL when they landed Ratliff, Canty and Spears. There was a period when Ratliff was regarded as one of the most disruptive interior lineman in the game, and Canty/Spears were never superstars but they were prototype 5-techs and rounded out what was an incredibly stout front. Considering the premium put on DL/Edge, that's as impressive a haul as you'll find.

They also hit on Marion Barber who made a couple pro-bowls and was great value for where they got him. Kevin Burnett also had a very solid career, most of it coming once he left Dallas because he was buried a bit on their depth chart, but he was a good nickel LB for them.

Yeah, they never made the deep playoff run, but Dallas from 2006-2009 was a yearly playoff team, with '07 and '09 boasting top 5 defenses. That's a direct testament to the impact this class had, as they failed miserably to add talent in drafts from 2006-2009. It all came to a head in 2010, when Wade got fired and Garrett took over, where we spent the next few years gutting an aging roster and rebuilding it before starting to reap the benefits in 2014. Understanding what was going on in Dallas, revisionist history should be praising Garrett for keeping this team competitive and on the verge of playoff births from 2011-2013 while in full blown rebuild mode.
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2010 Steelers was stacked with great players:
RD1. Marcus Pouncey
RD2. Jason Worilds
RD3. Emmanuel Sanders
RD4. Thaddeus Gibson
RD5. Chris Scott
RD5. Crezdon Butler
RD5. Stevenson Sylvester
RD6. Jonathan Dwyer
RD6. Antonio Brown
RD7. Doug Worthington
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you attribute these classes to luck, or skill?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

armsteeld wrote:
2010 Steelers was stacked with great players:
RD1. Marcus Pouncey
RD2. Jason Worilds
RD3. Emmanuel Sanders
RD4. Thaddeus Gibson
RD5. Chris Scott
RD5. Crezdon Butler
RD5. Stevenson Sylvester
RD6. Jonathan Dwyer
RD6. Antonio Brown
RD7. Doug Worthington

In about ten years we can evaluate this one. As of now, it's still too recent.

That said, it's basically a three player draft.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't overlook the 2004 Arizona draft. It set up Arizona for a long run at success, which is always the real sign for a great draft.

2010 Steeler draft also set up that team for future success.

If your team didn't become a consistent winner through the 2000's drafts, then no matter what you may fantasize, your drafts were not very good.

You can pretty well add in that any team that got a solid franchise QB out of any draft, can be said to have had a sensational draft, if they became a consistent winner. Nothing matches finding a real franchise QB.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamcanadian wrote:
Don't overlook the 2004 Arizona draft. It set up Arizona for a long run at success, which is always the real sign for a great draft.

2010 Steeler draft also set up that team for future success.

If your team didn't become a consistent winner through the 2000's drafts, then no matter what you may fantasize, your drafts were not very good.

You can pretty well add in that any team that got a solid franchise QB out of any draft, can be said to have had a sensational draft, if they became a consistent winner. Nothing matches finding a real franchise QB.

You are not wrong. It is an elite draft. The first three picks are all studs. Plus, the numbers are still adding.

But, it's the clearly the second best draft that year. Basically, it comes down to just the three and Antonio Smith. San Diego picked six good to very good players and a monster QB.

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