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Rolni


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:


TEs Rankings:


1 - Chiefs
2 - Chargers
3 - Raiders
4 - Broncos

I agree with this ranking too. Not a lot to debate here IMO
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
Broncos Wr's are ineffective because of QB situation.


Sanders: 79 rec, 1032 yds, 5 TDs, catch rate: 57.7, drop rate: 0
Thomas: 90 rec, 1083 yds, 5 TDs, catch rate: 62.5, drop rate: 4.9

Cooper: 83 rec, 1153 yds, 5 TDs, catch rate: 62.9, drop rate: 2.3
Crabtree: 89 rec, 1003 yds, 8 TDs, catch rate: 61.4, drop rate: 6.2

They're basically as effective with a worst QB situation.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
raidr4life wrote:
Broncos Wr's are ineffective because of QB situation.


Sanders: 79 rec, 1032 yds, 5 TDs, catch rate: 57.7, drop rate: 0
Thomas: 90 rec, 1083 yds, 5 TDs, catch rate: 62.5, drop rate: 4.9

Cooper: 83 rec, 1153 yds, 5 TDs, catch rate: 62.9, drop rate: 2.3
Crabtree: 89 rec, 1003 yds, 8 TDs, catch rate: 61.4, drop rate: 6.2

They're basically as effective with a worst QB situation.

True and this was a WR ranking, where we focus on the WR's, not the QB's...
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiders
OL #1
QB #1b
WR #1b
TE #3
RB#3b

Quiefs
OL#2
QB #3
WR #4
TE #1
RB #2

Donkeys
OL #4/3
QB #4
WR#1a
TE #4
RB #1 if healthy

LA Dolts
OL#3/4
QB #1a
WR #1c is healthy and potential reached
TE #2
RB #3b depth drops
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OLs


Chiefs: LT-Eric Fisher/LG-Zach Fulton/OC-Mitch Morse/RG-Laurent Duvernay-Tardif/RT-Mitchell Schwartz ;
Depth: Parker Ehinger(G), Jah Reid(OT), Mike Person(G/C), Bryan Witzmann(OT), Andrew Tiller(G), Jordan Devey(G), Damien Mama(G), Isaiah Battle(OT), Josh James(OT), Joseph Cheek(OT), Corin Brooks(G).


Former #1 overall pick Eric Fisher is a decent LT but not the dominant player his draft status would suggest. Fulton will have to compete with Ehinger for the LG job. Morse is developing into a pretty good C and was their highest graded OL last season. Duvernay is now paid like an elite G. I'm not sure how that happened. He's solid. Schwartz took a step back in his 1st season with KC. They have a bunch of experienced players for depth but none can be trusted if forced into a starting role. UDFA Damien Mama could end up making the final roster.

Raiders: LT-Donald Penn/LG-Kelechi Osemele/OC-Rodney Hudson/RG-Gabe Jackson/RT-Marshall Newhouse ;
Depth: Austin Howard(OT), Vadal Alexander(G/T), Jon Feliciano(C/G), Denver Kirkland(G), David Sharpe(OT), Jylen Ware(OT), Ian Silberman(OT), Jordan Simmons(G), Chauncey Briggs(OT)


This is one of the best OL in the league. They're especially good in pass pro. Osemele and Jackson didn't give up a sack all year. Hudson was the 2nd highest graded OC in pass pro. Penn allowed 1 sack on the season. The only weakness is at RT where Newhouse was brought in to compete with Howard. Alexander and Sharpe could also be in the mix.

Broncos: LT-Garett Bolles/LG-Ronald Leary/OC-Matt Paradis/RG-Max Garcia/RT-Menelik Watson ;
Depth: Donald Stephenson(OT), Ty Sambrailo(G/T), Michael Schofield(G/T), Billy Turner(G), Connor McGovern(G), Erik Austell(C), Dillon Day(C), Cameron Hunt(G), Justin Murray(OT), Elijah Wilkinson(OT)


Denver had one of the worst oline in the league in 2016. They focused on upgrading the unit this offseason. They drafted Bolles in the 1st and he's reportedly going to be given every opportunity to start at LT. The transition should be rough early on, especially in a division with so many great pass rushers. They signed Leary and Watson in FA and they're both projected to start as well. Leary had a pretty good season in Dallas so he should be a clear upgrade at LG. We all know Watson and how injury prone he is. If by some miracle he stays healthy, he can solidify their RT position, but that doesn't seem likely. Paradis is a very good C. Garcia will try to keep a starting job at RG with Sambrailo and Schofield in the mix as well.

Chargers: LT-Russell Okung/LG-Forrest Lamp/OC-Matt Slauson/RG-Dan Feeney/RT-Joe Barksdale
Depth: Chris Hairston(T/G), Kenny Wiggins(G/T), Max Tuerk(C), Sam Tevi(OT), Tyreek Burwell(OT), Spencer Pulley(C), Brett Boyko(G), Donavon Clark(G), Dillon Deboer(C)


The Chargers' oline was ranked 31st last season, according to PFF. As a result, they released King Dunlap, D.J Fluker and Orlando Franklin this offseason. They signed Okung in FA to replace Dunlap at LT. I'm not sure that's an upgrade when Denver didn't make much of an effort to bring him back. They drafted the 2 best Gs in this class though and they could make an immediate impact. Slauson was their best lineman last year but Max Tuerk could make a push for the job. Barksdale was bad last season but it looks like he'll still be starting on the right side. The depth is uninspiring.


OL Ranking:


1 - Raiders
2 - Chiefs
3 - Broncos
4 - Chargers
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offensive ranking:


1 - Raiders

It's the best unit overall. The main advantage is how good the oline is.

2 - Chargers

They have a lot of pieces to be a great offense but the oline is still a question mark at this point.

3 - Chiefs

Kelce is the only elite talent in their offense. Everything else is just average or slightly above.

4 - Broncos

The QB situation and the oline make this unit the worst in the division.
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Offensive ranking:


1 - Raiders

It's the best unit overall. The main advantage is how good the oline is.

2 - Chargers

They have a lot of pieces to be a great offense but the oline is still a question mark at this point.

3 - Chiefs

Kelce is the only elite talent in their offense. Everything else is just average or slightly above.

4 - Broncos

The QB situation and the oline make this unit the worst in the division.


I agree 100% and when adding the numbers up in my post the lowest number being the best it comes out the same way. Chargers had a really bad season, but are very much a threat as is every team in our division.
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with the OL rankins and also agree with the overall O rankings
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Broncos have the best WR corps in the division but the Raiders should definitely be above the Chargers. Keenan Allen perhaps the most injury prone player in the NFL, shouldn't even be factored in, Mike Williams hasn't proved anything, and Benjamin and Williams are wildly inconsistent.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edges


Chiefs: Justin Houston/Dee Ford/Frank Zombo/Tamba Hali/Tourek Williams/Earl Okine


Houston missed 11 games last season but he still racked up 4 sacks in the 5 games he played. He's one of the elite pass rushers in the league and should be fully healed from his 2015 ACL injury this year. Ford had a breakthrough season in 2016 with 10 sacks without the benefit of Houston drawing the opposing offense's attention. Those 2 can form the best duo in the NFL this year. Zombo and Hali are pretty good depth as well.

Raiders: Khalil Mack/Bruce Irvin/Shilique Calhoun/James Cowser/Andy Mulumba/Chris Casher/LaTroy Lewis

Mack is the reigning DPOY. He had the most QB pressures in the league and looked unblockable throughout an 8 games stretch (10 sacks, 5 FF). He's great against the run as well. Irvin had the most sacks since his rookie season with 7. He also forced 6 fumbles to tie for the league lead. He's a very good complementary player to Mack. The depth hasn't shown much so far. There's hope Calhoun can make more of an impact in year 2. Aldon Smith could make this unit even better if he's allowed back into the league but that seems extremely unlikely at this point.

Broncos: Von Miller/Shane Ray/Shaquil Barrett/Kasim Edebali/Vontarrius Dora/Ken Ekanem


Miller was a 1st team all-pro in 2016. He has 73.5 sacks in 88 games and 11 or more sacks in 5 of his 6 seasons. He's a beast. They lost DeMarcus Ware to retirement this offseason but they already had his replacement on the roster in Shane Ray. He had 8 sacks in his 2nd season. Barrett wasn't as effective last year but he's solid depth. They added Edebali in FA from the Saints. He can provide a bit of pass rush in a backup role.

Chargers: Melvin Ingram/Kyle Emanuel/Jeremiah Attaochu/Chris Landrum/Chris McCain


Ingram has been franchise tagged following 2 strong seasons to end his rookie deal. While he's not on Houston, Mack and Miller's level, he's still one of the most effective edge rushers over the last 2 years. On the other side, Emanuel and Attaochu should compete for the starting spot. Attaochu has more potential as a pass rusher but hasn't produced consistently over his first 3 seasons. The depth behind them is poor.


Edges ranking:


1 - Chiefs
2 - Broncos
3 - Raiders
4 - Chargers

The division is loaded at the position. The difference between the Chiefs, Broncos and Raiders isn't much. Only depth separates those 3.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
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Chiefs: Justin Houston/Dee Ford/Frank Zombo/Tamba Hali/Tourek Williams/Earl Okine


Houston missed 11 games last season but he still racked up 4 sacks in the 5 games he played. He's one of the elite pass rushers in the league and should be fully healed from his 2015 ACL injury this year. Ford had a breakthrough season in 2016 with 10 sacks without the benefit of Houston drawing the opposing offense's attention. Those 2 can form the best duo in the NFL this year. Zombo and Hali are pretty good depth as well.

Raiders: Khalil Mack/Bruce Irvin/Shilique Calhoun/James Cowser/Andy Mulumba/Chris Casher/LaTroy Lewis

Mack is the reigning DPOY. He had the most QB pressures in the league and looked unblockable throughout an 8 games stretch (10 sacks, 5 FF). He's great against the run as well. Irvin had the most sacks since his rookie season with 7. He also forced 6 fumbles to tie for the league lead. He's a very good complementary player to Mack. The depth hasn't shown much so far. There's hope Calhoun can make more of an impact in year 2. Aldon Smith could make this unit even better if he's allowed back into the league but that seems extremely unlikely at this point.

Broncos: Von Miller/Shane Ray/Shaquil Barrett/Kasim Edebali/Vontarrius Dora/Ken Ekanem


Miller was a 1st team all-pro in 2016. He has 73.5 sacks in 88 games and 11 or more sacks in 5 of his 6 seasons. He's a beast. They lost DeMarcus Ware to retirement this offseason but they already had his replacement on the roster in Shane Ray. He had 8 sacks in his 2nd season. Barrett wasn't as effective last year but he's solid depth. They added Edebali in FA from the Saints. He can provide a bit of pass rush in a backup role.

Chargers: Melvin Ingram/Kyle Emanuel/Jeremiah Attaochu/Chris Landrum/Chris McCain


Ingram has been franchise tagged following 2 strong seasons to end his rookie deal. While he's not on Houston, Mack and Miller's level, he's still one of the most effective edge rushers over the last 2 years. On the other side, Emanuel and Attaochu should compete for the starting spot. Attaochu has more potential as a pass rusher but hasn't produced consistently over his first 3 seasons. The depth behind them is poor.


Edges ranking:


1 - Chiefs
2 - Broncos
3 - Raiders
4 - Chargers

The division is loaded at the position. The difference between the Chiefs, Broncos and Raiders isn't much. Only depth separates those 3.


I actually have us dead last here because imo we have almost nothing in the way of proven depth and if we're looking at #2 edge rushers I think irvin has gotta be 3rd. Love bruce but not as a predominant pass rusher and imo I'd rather have Ingram or ford and I think the broncos have much better depth behind their 2 starters. I think you might have forgot Bosa on the chargers list and imo he's their #1.

We've got a lot of talent in the pipeline so hopefully we start seeing a return on some of our investments between Edwards, ward, Calhoun, etc... it was really apparent last year how much our whole defence starts and stops with Mack. He needs help.
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attack_in_s/b wrote:
I think you might have forgot Bosa on the chargers list and imo he's their #1.


No, i have him in the dline group. Bradley's scheme is similar to Norton's and Bosa is expected to play in Michael Bennett/MEJ's role this season.
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I agree with these rankings for the most part. I think Tyreek is gonna surprise folks that think he's just a gadget player though.
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Chiefer wrote:
I agree with these rankings for the most part. I think Tyreek is gonna surprise folks that think he's just a gadget player though.


Well you could hope that he has Percy Harvin's best season, but you won't get more than that. I don't think he'll ever come close though.
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DLs


Chiefs: Chris Jones/Bennie Logan(NT)/Allen Bailey
Depth: Rakeem Nunez-Roches/Tanoh Kpassagnon/Jarvis Jenkins/T.J Barnes(NT)/David King/Montori Hughes(NT)/Ricky Ali'ifua


KC replaced Dontari Poe with Bennie Logan in FA and it could end up being an upgrade. Poe's play wasn't that great lately and Logan proved to be pretty effective when he was playing NT in a 3-4 front in Philadelphia. Bailey missed most of last season and his return will help their run D. Jones is a star in the making and was already one of the most effective interior pass rushers as a rookie. Nunez-Roches is solid depth and they added Kpassagnon in the draft. He's viewed as a raw player so his impact should be limited this season.

Raiders: Jihad Ward/Justin Ellis(NT)/Mario Edwards Jr
Depth: Denico Autry/Darius Latham/Eddie Vanderdoes/Treyvon Hester/Branden Jackson/Jimmy Bean/Fadol Brown/Paul Boyette(NT)


Dline was a weakness for Oakland last season and they didn't do a lot to improve in the offseason. McGee and Dan Williams are gone. The hope is MEJ can stay healthy and Ward steps up in year 2. Ellis has a clear path to the starting NT job with Williams gone (unless Latham is in the mix there as well). Autry shouldn't be on the field as much if MEJ stays healthy. He's a good backup. Vanderdoes could push for the starting job at 3T, especially if Ward doesn't improve. It's really an unsettled situation at this point.

Broncos: Adam Gotsis/Domata Peko(NT)/Derek Wolfe
Depth: DeMarcus Walker/Jared Crick/Billy Winn/Zack Kerr(NT)/Kyle Peko(NT)/Shelby Harris/Tyrique Jarrett(NT)/Shakir Soto


Denver's D wasn't as good last season and the main reason was their dline. They didn't find anyone to replace Malik Jackson and Sylvester Williams didn't play well. Williams is now gone and they brought in Peko and Kerr to rotate at NT. That's nothing to be really excited about. Wolfe is the best one on this unit and a very good player, especially against the run. Gotsis and Crick should compete for the last starting spot. Rookie DeMarcus Walker could see playing time in the nickel as a rusher and produce early on.

Chargers: Corey Liuget/Brandon Mebane(NT)/Joey Bosa
Depth: Darius Philon/Damion Square(NT)/Tenny Palepoi/Caraun Reid/Isaac Rochell/Ryan Carrethers(NT)/Kaleb Eulls


Bosa won defensive rookie of the year in 2016 despite missing 4 games. He's mainly expected to play the 5T role this season in Gus Bradley's D. Wherever he plays, he's already one of the best pass rushers in the league and a good run defender. Mebane had a solid first season at NT for the Chargers. Liuget is overpaid for what he brings, he's just average. The depth isn't great.


DL Ranking:


1 - Chiefs
2 - Chargers
3 - Broncos
4 - Raiders
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