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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: CLE/NYJ/49ers- Figuring Out the '18 QB Race for a Top-2 Pick Reply with quote



Do you think the Browns lose enough games to secure a top-2 pick and the chance to select one of the top QB1s??

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Ultimately, the battle for a 2018 top-2 pick and pick of the top 2 QB1s will likely come down to 3 teams...

Which teams are likely to be in the running, and where do the Browns stand in the race?



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Tentatively projecting answers to those questions yielded the following:

The Race for Darnold and Allen (or insert your favorite QB1s name here)

I wanted to get an idea of which teams are likely to be in the running for the top 2-3 picks in the 2018 draft with the thought in mind that it is somewhat likely that 2 of Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Riley Ferguson, and Luke Falk (if healthy and continue their progression) will come off the board 1 and 2 as franchise QB1s. Talent-wise it's Darnold and Allen all day if they continue to progress and stay healthy.


Taking Inventory of the complete Trash and Amazingness that is NFL Roster Talent...


Beyond my own personal knowledge of teams/coaches, to find out the trash versus impact talent composition of teams, I looked over the rosters/projected depth charts of all the nfl teams on rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nfl.aspx) to get an idea of the roster talent/deficiencies of each team.

The Caveat


I know that these rosters are incomplete and the nfl season does hold some surprises based on players/teams transcending expectations, unexpected injuries that derail successful seasons, and favorable scheduling.

However, it's pretty easy to see which teams are going to be awful..
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The Five-Team Race
(In no particular order)These are the worst teams and some major deficiencies in their roster:



The QB1 needy:


1. 49ers
-No WR playmakers besides Garcon (Marquis Goodwin, Pierre Garcon, and Jeremy Kurley);
-no CBs at all
-QB issues (Hoyer and Barkely)
- No TE (Lynch admitted they tried to trade Vance Mcdonald)

2. The Jets
-No RBs (Bilal Powell; an aging Matt Forte);
No QB (Mccown, Petty, Hackenberg);
No true WR1 (Eric Decker, Quincy Enunwa, Chad Hansen, Jalin Marshall, ArDarius Stewart);
-No True TE1 with experience (Seferian-Jenkins; Jordan Legget)
-No 34OLBs for pass rush (Lorenzo Mauldin; Jordan Jenkins)
-CBs won't stop anyone (Claiborne, Buster Skrine, Marcus Williams)

3. Browns
-Issues of Youth/Inexperience
-QB Issues
-WR1 issues
-Secondary issues


The Non-QB needy:


1. Rams
--Inexperienced QB
--WR and impact pass catcher issues
--OL issues
-Secondary issues

2. Bears
--InexperiencedQB
--No Pass catchers (WR Kevin White; Cameron Meredith, Kendall White, Reuben Randle)
--No TE


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(No particular order) Outside Chance of being bad or even really bad

1. Vikings
-OL issues
-WR1 issues
-Rookie RB and Latavius Murray
-QB health issues

2. Bengals
--OL issues
--Secondary issues
--Some DLine and pass rush issues
--Rookies at key many key offensive positons

3. Colts
--WR issues
--Defensive playmaker issues
--No 34OLB pass rush specialist (Sheard and John Simon won't cut it as impact playmakers in the 34 although I love both the players)
--Scheme fit issues

4. Texans
--Inexperienced QB
--Secondary issues

5. Lions
--RB issues
--OL Issues
-Secondary issues
-Defensive playmaker issues
--pass rush issues

6. Buffalo Bills
--WR health and inexperience (Watkins and Zay Jones)
-TE1 issues
-Oline issues
-Safety issues
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I think that the Jets have the best chance at getting the #1 or 2 pick followed by the 49ers.

I think the Browns are likely to be the third worse team in the league based on record with an outside chance that the 49ers or Bears end up with the third worse record in the league.

I think the supreme talent QB1 game changers will go 1 and 2.....so, the only way the Browns realistically have a chance at Darnold or Allen (or whoever your #2 QB is) would be if the Bears or Rams finished with the second worst record in the league, thereby allowing us to trade up with them for the pick due to their having Goff and Trubisky as future QB1s already on their respective roster.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just being nit picky, but the Colts are beyond fine at WR. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the one advantage that we possess over the Niners and Jets is our draft capital. And that is a highly valued commodity.

In 2018 -

Browns

1st CLE
1st HOU (D. Watson)

2nd CLE
2nd PHI (C. Wentz)
2nd HOU (B. Osweiler)

3rd CLE

4th CLE
4th CAR (A. Lee)

5th CLE

6th CLE
6th PIT (J. Gilbert)

7th CLE
7th IND (Billy Winn)

Niners

1st SF

2nd SF
2nd NO (A. Kamara)

3rd SF
3rd CHI (M. Trubisky)

4th DEN (Kapri Bibbs)

5th SF

6th SF

7th KC (Kenneth Acker)

Jets

1st NYJ

2nd NYJ

3rd NYJ

4th NYJ

5th DAL (Xavier Woods)

6th NYJ

7th NYJ


To conclude, I hope we don't try to lose games for the sake of a draft pick. As you see, we have an impressive amount of draft capital to make just about any move we wish to make in 2018

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Browns.htm
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Just being nit picky, but the Colts are beyond fine at WR. Laughing


Eh. I'd disagree. Hilton is good, but has a defined role that he's best in that isn't a traditional #1. Moncrief is always hurt. Dorsett was suuuuper disappointing in year one. I do like Aiken.

I'd say that "fine" is actually a pretty good way to describe their situation. They could use an upgrade, but won't die without it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brooks1957 wrote:
But the one advantage that we possess over the Niners and Jets is our draft capital. And that is a highly valued commodity.

In 2018 -

Browns

1st CLE
1st HOU (D. Watson)

2nd CLE
2nd PHI (C. Wentz)
2nd HOU (B. Osweiler)

3rd CLE

4th CLE
4th CAR (A. Lee)

5th CLE

6th CLE
6th PIT (J. Gilbert)

7th CLE
7th IND (Billy Winn)

Niners

1st SF

2nd SF
2nd NO (A. Kamara)

3rd SF
3rd CHI (M. Trubisky)

4th DEN (Kapri Bibbs)

5th SF

6th SF

7th KC (Kenneth Acker)

Jets

1st NYJ

2nd NYJ

3rd NYJ

4th NYJ

5th DAL (Xavier Woods)

6th NYJ

7th NYJ


To conclude, I hope we don't try to lose games for the sake of a draft pick. As you see, we have an impressive amount of draft capital to make just about any move we wish to make in 2018

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Browns.htm


I would agree...if the teams picking ahead of you don't need a quarterback. If the jets or niners are picking ahead of the browns, and they like the quarterbacks, that capital is meaningless. They aren't moving off the quarterback they like.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question, if you think that there will only be 2 good QB prospects in 2018. I do not believe that myself however.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DizzyDean wrote:
Good question, if you think that there will only be 2 good QB prospects in 2018. I do not believe that myself however.


On my personal QB list and rankings, I've said that I see more than two as Luke Falk, Rosen, and Riley Ferguson could all be QB1s.

However, there is no argument in that Josh Allen and Sam Darnold have superior arm talent, far superior athleticism, pocket poise (Darnold) and escapability to throw (Allen).

That will not change as long as those QBs progress or even stay the same.

It will be Darnold and Allen off the board 1,2 for QB needy teams.

I've talked about the Bad for both those players, but the raw talent speaks for itself and will transcend the decision making and INT issues for Allen in the mind's of coaches and evaluators.

As much as I love Rosen's ball placement and Luke Falk's entire Kurt Warner-esque game (sidenote: I have Luke Falk as my number 2 QB based on tape), Josh Allen and Darnold's tools and arm power will guarantee that they are the cream of the crop as long as they don't regress in a major way.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forge wrote:


I would agree...if the teams picking ahead of you don't need a quarterback. If the jets or niners are picking ahead of the browns, and they like the quarterbacks, that capital is meaningless. They aren't moving off the quarterback they like.


You hit it right on the nail, Forge!

If a non-QB needy team gets in the top 2, the Browns can make an offer they can't refuse.

If not, the draft capital is indeed useless to trade up.

The Jets are a sure-win to get the top spot.

I'm hoping a resurgent Carlos Hyde in a Shanahan offense can do some work to win more than they lose.

We have the more difficult division so that works in our favor.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
Forge wrote:


I would agree...if the teams picking ahead of you don't need a quarterback. If the jets or niners are picking ahead of the browns, and they like the quarterbacks, that capital is meaningless. They aren't moving off the quarterback they like.


You hit it right on the nail, Forge!

If a non-QB needy team gets in the top 2, the Browns can make an offer they can't refuse.

If not, the draft capital is indeed useless to trade up.

The Jets are a sure-win to get the top spot.

I'm hoping a resurgent Carlos Hyde in a Shanahan offense can do some work to win more than they lose.

We have the more difficult division so that works in our favor.


While I agree that any talk of trade up is dependent on the QB "neediness" of teams who winner fewer games than we, I think that this all is academic.

We are going to win 6-7 or more games and probably will not be in the hunt for a top QB even with our draft pick largesse and with so many holes still on both sides of the ball.
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It looks like a draft that could go Mariota and Winston/ Luck and RG3.

It could also be a draft where the top3 players are QB's or even the top 4 could all be QB's taken.

Team 1-2 teakettle QB's they want and then 3rd overall pick goes to the top bidder and the same with no 4.

However I think that we have our 2018 starting QB on the roster, either Kessler or Kizer.

If the texans fail and end up picking 3rd and there is a top QB there we might all away with another kings ransom to drop 4-10 spots, picking up two firsts.

Imagine if Wentz turned into our QB1 and QB2 and 4 first round picks.

Sasha would be the NFLs Yoda, 'accumulate draft picks you must'
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The QB situation next year will be really weird. Apparantly 3-4 franchise QBs will be in the draft as of right now but there are not a whole lotta teams who need a QB. Nearly all teams in the NFL sans SF and NYJ either have a above average veteran or a highly drafted 1st or 2nd year QB.

Who are the teams that you know will take a QB next year at the top of the draft?
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AkronsWitness wrote:
The QB situation next year will be really weird. Apparantly 3-4 franchise QBs will be in the draft as of right now but there are not a whole lotta teams who need a QB. Nearly all teams in the NFL sans SF and NYJ either have a above average veteran or a highly drafted 1st or 2nd year QB.

Who are the teams that you know will take a QB next year at the top of the draft?


Teams that will for sure take a QB
Jets
49ers
Redskins (Depends if Cousins goes else where)
Teams that might take a QB
Bills
Miami
Jags
Cardinals
Browns
Teams that might take a QB to develop as a replacement
Steelers
Chargers
Giants
Vikings
Saints
Pats

So I see potentially 13 teams willing to draft a QB in the 1st round. Depending on whos there.

I know some things might change depending on what happens with Cousins, JimmyG, and McCarron[/b]
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Myself, I am hopeful that our QB situation is answered this year, we finish around 500, and can use the draft next year to put us over the top as a perennial playoff team.

I think it can really happen if our 2nd year WRs take a step forward.
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People compare Caleb Brantely to Aaron Donald, but from a physical stand point it is an awful comparison.

Donald ran a 4.68 40 and benched 225lb 35 times, he is a freak.

Brantlye is a lot slower 5.10 and only benched 21 reps at the combine. It is a bad comparison.

Regarding our DT Iwould use Ogjo and Shelton together on clear running situations, one of them in possible run pass situations and then neither when it is pure pass rush.

I like the combination of our UT being Brantley and Des Bryant.

If Brantlys charecter is as bad as advertised I wouldn't be surprisedif he never takes off in the NFL.

it is nice however to be exvcited about our DLine, I haven't been in years, there is so much more talent this year than last year.
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Fortunately, IMO 4 QB's could possible go top 10 and it is even possible that QB's will go 1,2 and 3 in the draft, if Sam Darnold and Josh Allen have solid season and Rosen bounces back and has the expected breakout season. They are all very physically talented and their intangibles look to be off the charts.

Jackson could be a later top 10 pick as well, although he cares far morte risk.

Just have to pray that we do not get above 5 wins or it could get dicey as there are a lot of QB desperate teams who are likely to bring up the bottom of the league and therefore trading up could be impossible.
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