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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: The DB Depth Chart Discussion Reply with quote

DB [10]

Prince Amukamara
Marcus Cooper
Kyle Fuller
Bryce Callahan
Cre'von Leblanc


Quentin Demps
Eddie Jackson
De'Iondre Hall
Deon Bush
Adrian Amos

Deandre Houston-Carson​ [PR]
CB [PR]

Harold Jones-Quartey
Jonathan Banks
Sherrick McManis
Chris Prosinski

This group is a lot better than last season, not yet really good, but last season they were starting losers off the street. At CB I think that the depth chart is pretty easy to predict. We know who the starters are moving into the season in Cooper and Prince. Fuller should make the team as he has the size to play on the outside in case someone gets injured and it would be really nice to take one more look at him and see if something can be salvaged. Leblanc and Callahan are favorites of the staff and have been solid inside and outside when they have been asked to play. Callahan needs to stay healthy or I could see them keeping someone like Banks over him.

The Bears have a pretty epic collection of bad-mediocre safeties on the roster. I really think that Eddie Jackson, if recovered, has a significant chance of starting next to Demps. I like the Demps signing he gives them a veteran who can QB things in the backend and who won't bust coverages. The sheer number of mental screw ups last season was enough to get multiple safeties benched. I think that you start Demps at SS and allow Jackson and Hall to compete at FS, they are the Bears most intriguing young DBs. Hall can either start at FS or provide depth at both S and CB. Amos sticks because of his experience and the fact that if he starts you know you are getting solid play. Bush as a 4th round pick last year gets more time to develop as perhaps the long term SS. It was reported that he struggled with the playbook so hopefully he takes a big step.

I am keeping a safety and a CB on the PR. Houston-Carson seems like a natural selection for the PR and would give him more time to develop and I am going to have to sign a CB cut from another team as the Bears do not really have a player eligible that interests me a great deal unless someone from the UDFA class steps up.

Goodbye to HJQ you are not an NFL starter and I am keeping Amos and Bush as my primary special teams players. Jonathan Banks maybe you can make the team, but I do not see you taking a job from Callahan or Leblanc, but there is a chance. McManis is a wasted roster spot. I know he is good on special teams, but why not keep someone who may develop into a defensive player down the road? Prosinski has bee a rock solid veteran for the Bears, but I am not cutting a Bush or Amos for a 31 year old special teamer.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like our secondary is one big cluster-F. What's going to happen with Fuller? Is Amukamara only here for 1 season? Is Cooper any good? Are Le'Blanc and Callahan fighting for the nickel gig?

What are we doing with Hall? Is he a corner or safety? How long is Demps going to be around. Such a mess.

I guess a future safety tandem of Hall and Jackson could be cool. Then again, if Fuller sucks/leaves and Amukamara doesn't re-sign, does Hall get moved back to corner to work opposite Cooper?
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing is a sure thing in our secondary its a rag tag bunch of random people. I don't see them being anything but a anchor for the front 7.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prince is the best player by a fairly wide margin and he can never stay healthy for a full season. Cooper is an upside gamble by Pace since he gets burned a lot according to Cards fans despite the great physical tools.

As others have said this is a hodgepodge group. Gilmore or Bouye would have helped.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
I feel like our secondary is one big cluster-F. What's going to happen with Fuller? Is Amukamara only here for 1 season? Is Cooper any good? Are Le'Blanc and Callahan fighting for the nickel gig?

What are we doing with Hall? Is he a corner or safety? How long is Demps going to be around. Such a mess.

I guess a future safety tandem of Hall and Jackson could be cool. Then again, if Fuller sucks/leaves and Amukamara doesn't re-sign, does Hall get moved back to corner to work opposite Cooper?


Hall and Jackson could be a hell of a cover duo, but would they be liabilities in run support as a duo?

I prefer to keep Hall at CB. We have almost nothing set there for 2018. Cooper scares me, he gave a lot of big plays up, we don't have the offense to combat that IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prince is the best player by a fairly wide margin and he can never stay healthy for a full season. Cooper is an upside gamble by Pace since he gets burned a lot according to Cards fans despite the great physical tools.

As others have said this is a hodgepodge group. Gilmore or Bouye would have helped.


Nah. I'd rather save our $ and invest in next years FA's/draft class. Over the past two seasons Pace has done a great job filling holes. This is the year we find out who is in it for the long run at receiver and who fits in the secondary. Every other position is serviceable. If we go into the off-season needing one corner/safety, a receiver, and a tackle we are in great shape.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The safety group isn't great, but there should be more competition. If I had to predict, I'd guess Demps and Amos start in the first preseason game due to experience.

Cornerback is still a total dumpster fire.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Luck Ed...Good Luck...I have us keeping a lot of DBs on the roster because I don't think 4 preseason games will be enough to figure out who our best starters are...also Fangio likes to rotate his DBs more than most DCs...and I think these guys add more ST value...

Prince Amukamara
Kyle Fuller
Bryce Callahan
Marcus Cooper
Deiondre Hall
Jonathan Banks
Cre'Von LeBlanc

Adrian Amos
Quintin Demps
Eddie Jackson
Deon Bush
DeAndre Houston-Carson
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Good Luck Ed...Good Luck...I have us keeping a lot of DBs on the roster because I don't think 4 preseason games will be enough to figure out who our best starters are...also Fangio likes to rotate his DBs more than most DCs...and I think these guys add more ST value...

Prince Amukamara
Kyle Fuller
Bryce Callahan
Marcus Cooper
Deiondre Hall
Jonathan Banks
Cre'Von LeBlanc

Adrian Amos
Quintin Demps
Eddie Jackson
Deon Bush
DeAndre Houston-Carson


That would be a pretty insane number of DBs

DL 6
OLB 5
ILB 4
DB 12


That would only leave 23 roster spots on offense.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Good Luck Ed...Good Luck...I have us keeping a lot of DBs on the roster because I don't think 4 preseason games will be enough to figure out who our best starters are...also Fangio likes to rotate his DBs more than most DCs...and I think these guys add more ST value...

Prince Amukamara
Kyle Fuller
Bryce Callahan
Marcus Cooper
Deiondre Hall
Jonathan Banks
Cre'Von LeBlanc

Adrian Amos
Quintin Demps
Eddie Jackson
Deon Bush
DeAndre Houston-Carson


That would be a pretty insane number of DBs

DL 6
OLB 5
ILB 4
DB 12


That would only leave 23 roster spots on offense.


That won't happen. My guess is DHC and Banks don't make it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying we keep that amount of DBs for the full season but right now I would only keep 6 DL and 8 LBs...we just don't have the depth of talent there either but at least we know who our starters are...at DB we have no idea and as I said 4 preseason games isn't enough to decide...the roster will be flexible like last year and we will cut some DBs for other positions if they become available.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This amount of DBs seems to be ripe for intense competition, which should hopefulyl take what seems to be an average at best group and prod them to outperform. Best of a bad situation, although I think one of Pace's biggest failures is how little top end talent he brought in this FA season
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RunningVaccs wrote:
This amount of DBs seems to be ripe for intense competition, which should hopefulyl take what seems to be an average at best group and prod them to outperform. Best of a bad situation, although I think one of Pace's biggest failures is how little top end talent he brought in this FA season


I actually don't mind his free agent method, although it was frustrating in the moment.

You either end up with huge bargains (Freeman, Hicks, Sitton) or you end up with players you can easily cut.

It just requires your draft picks to be good.
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WindyCity wrote:
RunningVaccs wrote:
This amount of DBs seems to be ripe for intense competition, which should hopefulyl take what seems to be an average at best group and prod them to outperform. Best of a bad situation, although I think one of Pace's biggest failures is how little top end talent he brought in this FA season


I actually don't mind his free agent method, although it was frustrating in the moment.

You either end up with huge bargains (Freeman, Hicks, Sitton) or you end up with players you can easily cut.

It just requires your draft picks to be good.


I was saying this at the time. People kept getting caught up in our lack of big names, or the fact that we signed so many players. Pace threw as many darts at the board as he could, and he's gonna keep the ones that hit closest to the bulleye
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WindyCity wrote:
RunningVaccs wrote:
This amount of DBs seems to be ripe for intense competition, which should hopefulyl take what seems to be an average at best group and prod them to outperform. Best of a bad situation, although I think one of Pace's biggest failures is how little top end talent he brought in this FA season


I actually don't mind his free agent method, although it was frustrating in the moment.

You either end up with huge bargains (Freeman, Hicks, Sitton) or you end up with players you can easily cut.

It just requires your draft picks to be good.


Bingo. If any of our corners wind up being solid, then we hit and we didn't have to burn a draft pick. If not? Cut them and make it a focus on the next draft. I don't have a problem with it.
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