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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't sleep on Mike Weber of tOSU. With Kevin Wilson at OC, I think he gets a lot more carries. He's no Barkley, but I could see him end up being a 2nd-4th round prospect when all said and done.


His lack of elite speed/homerun hitting ability will limit him at the NFL level. He's a nice between the tackles thumper, but that's about it.

Throw in his fumbling concerns and lack of elite pass-blocking/catching, and he's got a LONG way to go IMO.

If he came out this year, I see him as about the 7th-10th best RB prospect in the draft.



What?????? 100% false as far as the pass blocking, he is every bit as good as Zeke was in that department he is ultra physical without the ball, and as far as him catching he caught a lot of those swing passes we did. Im not sure about those accusations bro, Zeke fumbled early in his career as well.


The only issue with Weber is that he isn't fast at all, his vision and anticipation of the hole is his calling card and as good as any prospect in this draft. He just isn't fast, he is probably going to be 4.59 - 4.65 guy, which is a shame, he does everything else pretty well imo.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSURacerDT55 wrote:
MWil23 wrote:
Marky wrote:
Don't sleep on Mike Weber of tOSU. With Kevin Wilson at OC, I think he gets a lot more carries. He's no Barkley, but I could see him end up being a 2nd-4th round prospect when all said and done.


His lack of elite speed/homerun hitting ability will limit him at the NFL level. He's a nice between the tackles thumper, but that's about it.

Throw in his fumbling concerns and lack of elite pass-blocking/catching, and he's got a LONG way to go IMO.

If he came out this year, I see him as about the 7th-10th best RB prospect in the draft.



What?????? 100% false as far as the pass blocking, he is every bit as good as Zeke was in that department he is ultra physical without the ball, and as far as him catching he caught a lot of those swing passes we did. Im not sure about those accusations bro, Zeke fumbled early in his career as well.


The only issue with Weber is that he isn't fast at all, his vision and anticipation of the hole is his calling card and as good as any prospect in this draft. He just isn't fast, he is probably going to be 4.59 - 4.65 guy, which is a shame, he does everything else pretty well imo.


A couple of things:

1. I said that he wasn't elite as a pass catcher/pass blocker, not that he couldn't do it. Can he line up in the slot like Samuel/Caff and catch the ball/run routes? DEFINITELY NOT. But hey, he caught a "couple of swing passes".

2. I didn't say that he couldn't fix his fumbling problems, but right now that is an issue that must be resolved, just like Zeke, Eddie (see: Illinois his Freshman year...ugh), and many other RBs.

Not elite=/=Not decent or that it can't be that way one day. He still has lots of time to develop.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MWil23 wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
MWil23 wrote:
Marky wrote:
Don't sleep on Mike Weber of tOSU. With Kevin Wilson at OC, I think he gets a lot more carries. He's no Barkley, but I could see him end up being a 2nd-4th round prospect when all said and done.


His lack of elite speed/homerun hitting ability will limit him at the NFL level. He's a nice between the tackles thumper, but that's about it.

Throw in his fumbling concerns and lack of elite pass-blocking/catching, and he's got a LONG way to go IMO.

If he came out this year, I see him as about the 7th-10th best RB prospect in the draft.



What?????? 100% false as far as the pass blocking, he is every bit as good as Zeke was in that department he is ultra physical without the ball, and as far as him catching he caught a lot of those swing passes we did. Im not sure about those accusations bro, Zeke fumbled early in his career as well.


The only issue with Weber is that he isn't fast at all, his vision and anticipation of the hole is his calling card and as good as any prospect in this draft. He just isn't fast, he is probably going to be 4.59 - 4.65 guy, which is a shame, he does everything else pretty well imo.


A couple of things:

1. I said that he wasn't elite as a pass catcher/pass blocker, not that he couldn't do it. Can he line up in the slot like Samuel/Caff and catch the ball/run routes? DEFINITELY NOT. But hey, he caught a "couple of swing passes".

2. I didn't say that he couldn't fix his fumbling problems, but right now that is an issue that must be resolved, just like Zeke, Eddie (see: Illinois his Freshman year...ugh), and many other RBs.

Not elite=/=Not decent or that it can't be that way one day. He still has lots of time to develop.



I agree that he may not be elite, but what he can be is a dependable back at the next level, which can be just as important IMO.

And as far as his pass blocking, what I saw was him destroying LBs, that's why I reacted that way.
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Devin Kurant wrote:
I mentioned earlier that Terence Williams should be added. He's a physical specimen who could really raise his draft stock if he can do some receiving damage this year. I still maintain that he'll be our first RB in forever to make it in the NFL.



Also, Johnny Jefferson is at UTSA now.

I'll keep an eye out for him next year.

Speaking of Big 12 RBs. I liked what I saw from Kyle Hicks. He ran for a thousand yards, caught just under 50 passes, and had double digit touchdowns last year. Interested to see how he follows that up this year.



Anyone else like him?

His teammate Sewo Olonilua (Sophomore) is a 6'3" and 225 lb back that moves well.
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Obviously I'm biased but I'm really curious to see how Akrum Wadley handles a bigger work load this year


Also biased, but I think the sky is the limit for him.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
MWil23 wrote:
Marky wrote:
Don't sleep on Mike Weber of tOSU. With Kevin Wilson at OC, I think he gets a lot more carries. He's no Barkley, but I could see him end up being a 2nd-4th round prospect when all said and done.


His lack of elite speed/homerun hitting ability will limit him at the NFL level. He's a nice between the tackles thumper, but that's about it.

Throw in his fumbling concerns and lack of elite pass-blocking/catching, and he's got a LONG way to go IMO.

If he came out this year, I see him as about the 7th-10th best RB prospect in the draft.



What?????? 100% false as far as the pass blocking, he is every bit as good as Zeke was in that department he is ultra physical without the ball, and as far as him catching he caught a lot of those swing passes we did. Im not sure about those accusations bro, Zeke fumbled early in his career as well.


The only issue with Weber is that he isn't fast at all, his vision and anticipation of the hole is his calling card and as good as any prospect in this draft. He just isn't fast, he is probably going to be 4.59 - 4.65 guy, which is a shame, he does everything else pretty well imo.

He ran 4.57 this spring so I'm guessing he'll be somewhere around 4.65 at the combine.
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I'm in love with Kamryn Pettway
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I think Nick Chubb will bounce back.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrOaktown_56 wrote:
I've been pimping saquon since day 1. Better prospect than Elliott. Guice is also a 1st rounder to me, as is scarbrough.

Akrum wadley probably has the best jump cut in the country and should be a day 2 guy.


I think Barkley and Guice are the cream so far, but not yet top 10 , but close to it, especially Barkley. Look out for both Harris and Scarbrough of Alabama. They will probably share time, but both are big time talents.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="MSURacerDT55"]
MWil23 wrote:
Marky wrote:
Don't sleep on Mike Weber of tOSU. With Kevin Wilson at OC, I think he gets a lot more carries. He's no Barkley, but I could see him end up being a 2nd-4th round prospect when all said and done.


His lack of elite speed/homerun hitting ability will limit him at the NFL level. He's a nice between the tackles thumper, but that's about it.

Throw in his fumbling concerns and lack of elite pass-blocking/catching, and he's got a LONG way to go IMO.

If he came out this year, I see him as about the 7th-10th best RB prospect in the draft.



What?????? 100% false as far as the pass blocking, he is every bit as good as Zeke was in that department he is ultra physical without the ball, and as far as him catching he caught a lot of those swing passes we did. Im not sure about those accusations bro, Zeke fumbled early in his career as well.


Zeke was one of the best pass blockers as a RB, to come out of college in a long time. So, I am doubting that anybody in this draft is as good as he was. And as a prospect, Zeke is ahead of any RB in this year's crop, even Barkley has a ways to go to reach Zeke's ranking.
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Elite pass blocking is the rarest of any skill by a RB. If you have average pass blocking skills, you're well ahead of the pack.

I expect Saquon Barkley to take that leap into near elite pass blocking this coming year.
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smokeybandit wrote:
Elite pass blocking is the rarest of any skill by a RB. If you have average pass blocking skills, you're well ahead of the pack.

I expect Saquon Barkley to take that leap into near elite pass blocking this coming year.
I'd say pass protection is Barkley's biggest area that needs improvement. If he can solidify his blocking, watch out. One of the more fun to watch backs for me in quite some time.
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VanS wrote:
MrOaktown_56 wrote:
Ronald Jones compares at least somewhat to jamaal charles when i watch him. Similarly built, damn good top end, and very smooth. Haven't seen him catch a ton of balls though.


He's the closest thing to Jamaal Charles I've seen. Every year people wanna compare the undersized speedy back that's coming out to Charles and it never really lines up. With Ronald Jones the comparison is legit. The similarities are eerie.


I'm enjoying your posts. Stick around, please!

I've heard there being more top end talent in this class, but is it as deep too?
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Mark Walton, Miami is so underrated.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
MWil23 wrote:
Marky wrote:
Don't sleep on Mike Weber of tOSU. With Kevin Wilson at OC, I think he gets a lot more carries. He's no Barkley, but I could see him end up being a 2nd-4th round prospect when all said and done.


His lack of elite speed/homerun hitting ability will limit him at the NFL level. He's a nice between the tackles thumper, but that's about it.

Throw in his fumbling concerns and lack of elite pass-blocking/catching, and he's got a LONG way to go IMO.

If he came out this year, I see him as about the 7th-10th best RB prospect in the draft.



What?????? 100% false as far as the pass blocking, he is every bit as good as Zeke was in that department he is ultra physical without the ball, and as far as him catching he caught a lot of those swing passes we did. Im not sure about those accusations bro, Zeke fumbled early in his career as well.


Zeke was one of the best pass blockers as a RB, to come out of college in a long time. So, I am doubting that anybody in this draft is as good as he was. And as a prospect, Zeke is ahead of any RB in this year's crop, even Barkley has a ways to go to reach Zeke's ranking.



Except for when you actually watch the film...you are talking as if Weber didn't study under Elliot, Weber references this all the time. He is also ultra physical without the ball in his own right, film verifies this.
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