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Rich7sena


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Using hindsight, "fix" your team's draft Reply with quote

Now that the draft is in the rearview, I figured there should be a thread where we "fix" our team's drafts now knowing where players were valued by NFL teams. I thought it would be a fun exercise since we're right 100% of the time and teams are right 25% if they're lucky.

Rules:
1) No trades
2) You can renege a trade your team made during the draft
2) If you replace a player, you can't take the player with a later pick unless that pick comes immediately after (example: You renege the Bears' trade and instead take Jamal Adams. You cannot now take Mitch Trubisky in round 2)
3) You cannot take players picked before your team's pick even if they might of been pushed back in your scenario (example: You renege the Bears' trade and instead take Jamal Adams. You cannot now assume Deshaun Watson makes it to round 2)

This is the site I'm using to track the rounds, players, and teams: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-team-input:oak/dt-by-round-input:1

I'll start:

Oakland Raiders
24. Gareon Conley->Reuben Foster
-Trading one risk for another. While I'm much less certain Foster plays in 2017 than Conley, Foster is a better player in my eyes at a position of higher need. The Raiders likely deemed Foster's shoulder as a major question mark which put his 2017 season at risk. I'd be willing to take that chance knowing Melifonwu will be there for me in the 2nd round.

56. Obi Melifonwu->Obi Melifonwu
-No change, love the pick.

88. Eddie Vanderdoes->Shaquill Griffin
- hate to renege on Vanderdoes - because I liked the pick within the context of the real draft - but Griffin would have made a fine consolation prize for Conley. Griffin is the perfect developmental type for the Raiders to develop behind Amerson and Smith while he competes for time in the slot.

129. David Sharpe->Will Holden
-I like the Raiders went with a tackle early in the 3rd day, but it wasn't the one I wanted. I believe Holden can provide usable depth at left tackle during his rookie season, which is not something I believe Sharpe can do. Sharpe may have higher upside, but Holden provides instant depth.

168. Marquel Lee->Tanzel Smart
-A replacement pick for not taking Vanderdoes. I really like Smart as a flex 1/3 tech in the Raiders scheme.

221. Shalom Luani->Shalom Luani
-Sure, why not

231. Jylan Ware->Isaiah Ford
-One of my pre-draft darlings. I knew he'd fall after the combine, but I was pretty surprised to see him go nearly undrafted. I think he can develop into a possible replacement for Michael Crabtree down the line and contribute in rotation his rookie year.

242. Elijah Hood->Elijah Hood
-Sure, why not


This is the site I'm using to track the rounds, players, and teams:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-team-input:oak/dt-by-round-input:1
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4th Round: Josh Malone, WR, Tenn -> Chad Hansen, WR, Cal
4th Round: Ryan Glasgow, DT, Mich -> Jake Butt, TE, Mich
7th Round: Mason Schreck, TE, Buffalo -> Jessamen Dunker, OL, Tennessee St.


I loved our first 4 selections, and wouldn't change them...
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea, we do the same in the DEN forum, slightly different rules so here goes....


DAY 1

1.20 Elway took Garrett Bolles, I take Reuben Foster ILB - elite ILB, leader of D for the next decade, if all goes well. Top 5 talent. Even with 2017 less certain, the long term recovery is excellent. From 2018 onwards, the QB of our D.

DAY 2

2.51 Elway took Demarcus Walker DE, I take Dan Feeney G - nothing against Walker (if it was Bolles Rd1, totally OK with Walker Rd2), but if OL is a need I passed over for BPA Foster Rd1, then upgrading G is the call Rd2, no T is worth it here. Could have easily gone Dion Dawkins here, especially given the power game fit, but you know what, I love the guy, I'd rather put my flag to the guy I love. It's just a mock.

3.82 Elway took Carlos Hendersrson, WR/KR, I take Derek Rivers EDGE - I'm going to give a nod to both Counselor, who's banging the drum, and the fact that you just don't pass up difference making talent.

3.101 Elway took Brendan Langley CB/PR - I take Howard Wilson CB - I love his game, and I think his 40 time is misleading, because his 3-cone, shuttle, and more importantly, his film, say he's a great fit in our scheme. Sign me up.


DAY3

Both early trades are fantastic, totally on board with them. Accepted SF & CLE trade. Did not accept trade to move up to get another ST return guy (I know I don't have one yet, working on it - see below).

5.145 Jake Butt TE - NO CHANGE - cannot argue the value here. If it wasn't his 2nd ACL tear he would have been long gone. This changes things a bit for me, can't be contrarian.

(Don't trade up for 172)

5.175 - Elway took Isiaih McKenzie PR/KR - Danny Isidora G - taking a page from how the Chargers are improving their OL, I double dip with Isidora. On a bad OL he stood out with his play, stout in the run, and in the pass protection game. Pro style O helps him get ready quickly to help in Year 1. No way we move up to get another ST guy when we had Henderson in the original mock. Won't do it here, because it's coming (later). If you don't like Isidora, then spend it on Caleb Brantley (gotta put that on record after the Brantley draft thread debate lol).

6.203 - De'Angelo Henderson RB - NO CHANGE - no problem whatsoever with this pick. Need RB with CJ's $ coming off the books next year, and he's at worst a CoP guy, Booker isn't likely a workhorse, a committee makes great sense.

7.238 - Elway Traded Away - Kermit Whitfield, PR/KR/gadget, FSU - you can find KR/PR specialist late. This is the nation's best KR the last 3 years running. Purely a gadget guy, but this guy has been doing it for his entire NCAA career. 4.4 wheels, great vision in returns. Too small to help elsewhere other than as a gadget guy, but again, we're spend a Rd7 pick to address ST. Gets Jordan Norwood off the team, which is a plus, and gives us the home run threat for KR/PR.

7.253 - Chad Kelly QB - NO CHANGE - I don't mind this pick at all. Easy to put Kelly as a GD inactive. If it ends up that Lynch does in fact progress as hoped, then we could only justify trading one of our 2 cheap QB's if we had a capable backup. If that doesn't happen, nothing lost by having 3 QB's. Frankly, with our OL as it is, having 3 QB's is a smart idea.

That 7th round pick means I'll save Mr. Irrelevant I put before in the UDFA pile....


UDFA pick - KD Cannon, WR - with Elijah Lee going off just before we'd have picked, I'll address WR depth a different way than slot - let's get a burner who will be a boundary guy. DT or Sanders can slot in when he's out there. 4.4 wheels, absolute burner, and 37" vert gives him a huge catch radius. He still needs to work on his high-pointing to max that out, and his route running needs work, so he's just a lid lifter at this stage. But then again, this is why we're at Rd7 undrafted so far. More than 1 way to get our speed infusion, with Butt in short-intermediate game, Cannon deep, and D-Henderson/Booker as backfield receiving threats, a lot more for D's to account for besides DT & Sanders.

I'll address 3-4 DE with Jaye Howard in UFA and more T depth with King Dunlap, we've got the $ and Howard's a perfect fit to address run D (Walker wouldn't have helped us there this year until he bulked up), and we piecemeal T until a better FA class/trade opp/draft opp presents itself. I would have loved to have Walker as a long term DE, but if you get Foster, have to get OL early, Rd2 is where the sweet spot for G was. Isidora is a major bonus, as IRL he went 7 picks later. Double up baby. Instead of paying early Rd3 to get an electric KR/PR who will need time to develop, just get an electric KR/PR-only guy Rd 7, and still have speed with Cannon and D-Henderson at outside WR/RB.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to fix a draft when you do not know the behind the scenes dynamics. The Chiefs traded up 17 slots to take a QB I would have passed on if he fell to #27. Assuming they did their homework on Mahomes, the question is did they need to trade that high.

The Saints were at #11. It is not impossible they were thinking of a replacement for Brees well ahead of his useful life. The Browns had #12 and the world knew they wanted a QB, though not Watson it seasms. Texans traded to #12 to take a QB. That indicates interest from an unnamed party (reputed to be NYG). Given all that, and given that they got a good deal on the trade up, I would have to back management.

Kpassagnon in round 2 and Hunt in round 3 are exactly the sort of players I was hoping to get. It would have been nice to get an ILB, but Foster, Davis, Cunningham and McMillan are all gone. It would be nice to get a CB2 but they are even more picked over. Hopefully TK can follow Chris Jones' footsteps and be a force on the DL out of round 2.

I love the Hunt pick and all the trading involved. He was the best RB left by the middle of round 3. Good value at the price.

Day 3 picks are often dice rolls. I love the team's approach to finding talent. Both Chesson and Eligwe have to be graded from underclassman play. Both are ideal size, speed and build. Both should kill on ST. Eligwe also had character flags to check out, but he went 40+ picks later. Seeing either of them start in 2018 would not be shocking.

The last pick is a classic tweener with no position. He plays like a safety but has the build of a CB, as in very skinny. The team does a lot of big-nickel sub packages. McQuay may be a future third S. This is the future practice squad star if they drafted one. I'd have taken Kelly and robbed him of Mr.-Irrelevant fame.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Using hindsight, "fix" your team's draft Reply with quote

[quote="Rich7sena"]Now that the draft is in the rearview, I figured there should be a thread where we "fix" our team's drafts now knowing where players were valued by NFL teams. I thought it would be a fun exercise since we're right 100% of the time and teams are right 25% if they're lucky.

I am surprised you gave the teams 25%, everybody knows we are far better than the teams are at knowing talent. Heck, even BB will be lucky to get about 5% agreeing with him. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD1. TJ Watt switched to Ryan Anderson.
RD2. JuJu Smith-Schuster switched to Carl Lawson.
RD3. Cam Sutton stays the same. James Conner stays the same.
RD3. James Conner stays the same.
RD4. Joshua Dobbs stays the same.
RD5. Brian Allen switched to Xavier Woods.
RD6. Colin Holba switched to Robert Davis.
RD7. Keion Adams to Horace Richardson.
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I would have picked Trey Hendrickson instead of Jourdan Lewis.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TVScout wrote:
I would have picked Trey Hendrickson instead of Jourdan Lewis.


Even after drafting Taco in the first round?


armsteeld wrote:
RD1. TJ Watt switched to Ryan Anderson.
RD2. JuJu Smith-Schuster switched to Carl Lawson.


Why both?
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crickett wrote:
TVScout wrote:
I would have picked Trey Hendrickson instead of Jourdan Lewis.


Even after drafting Taco in the first round?


armsteeld wrote:
RD1. TJ Watt switched to Ryan Anderson.
RD2. JuJu Smith-Schuster switched to Carl Lawson.


Why both?


Harrison will probably be done after this season. It's best to have a platoon of pas rushers with different strengths. If one gets hurt, insert the more than capable backup.
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[quote="Crickett"]
TVScout wrote:
I would have picked Trey Hendrickson instead of Jourdan Lewis.


Even after drafting Taco in the first round?


Cowboys' needs at edge are equal to needs at DB. One DE and four DBs is unbalanced.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

armsteeld wrote:
Crickett wrote:
armsteeld wrote:
RD1. TJ Watt switched to Ryan Anderson.
RD2. JuJu Smith-Schuster switched to Carl Lawson.


Why both?


Harrison will probably be done after this season. It's best to have a platoon of pas rushers with different strengths. If one gets hurt, insert the more than capable backup.


Depth pick in the second round? Question
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We do this every year in the 49er forum for the last few years. Call it "are you smarter than an NFL GM", and then we bring the results back up 3 years later. Always a fun game Smile

I haven't put mine together as of yet, but I'll probably just copy a link there once it's done Laughing
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Crickett wrote:
armsteeld wrote:
Crickett wrote:
armsteeld wrote:
RD1. TJ Watt switched to Ryan Anderson.
RD2. JuJu Smith-Schuster switched to Carl Lawson.


Why both?


Harrison will probably be done after this season. It's best to have a platoon of pas rushers with different strengths. If one gets hurt, insert the more than capable backup.


Depth pick in the second round? Question


Iron sharpens iron. Two dogs one bone. Coach Tomlin normally drafts two guys at the same position fight for a hat on game day. The Broncos had Ware and Miller yet still drafted an OLB in the 1st round. Then later they signed Shaq Barrett as an UFA beating out the Steelers. Keep them fresh and continue attacking the offenses.
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Raiders

1) LB Foster
2) S Melifonwu
3) CB Tankersley
4) LB Walker
5) DT Qualls
7) LB Lee (Elijah)
7) RB Hood
7) WR Dupre
7) T Ware
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BEARS

- I don't trade up and grab Jamal Adams at 3
- Don't trade back and take Sidney Jones
- Since we didnt trade for Trubisky we still have #67 and take Tim Williams
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