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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jay Cutler is a top 2 QB in bears history, That alone makes me feel for bears fans.

Glad to see players like cutler and romo enjoy retirement and get away from the concussions and enjoy their life before their brains turn to jelly.


Jay Cutler has like all of the passing records for the Chicago Bears. I think he is the best they have ever had.
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DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
Jay Cutler is a top 2 QB in bears history, That alone makes me feel for bears fans.

Glad to see players like cutler and romo enjoy retirement and get away from the concussions and enjoy their life before their brains turn to jelly.


Jay Cutler has like all of the passing records for the Chicago Bears. I think he is the best they have ever had.


If the NFL passing game was unchanged over the decades, career lifetime stats would carry more weight. But it was tougher to pass 20 years ago, even more difficult 40 years ago, and when HOF QB Sid Luckman played, it was a nightmare. It's not an honest comparison, so we have to add the important element of winning to QB evaluation.

Jay Cutler had great physical tools, and had nice stats. Unfortunately, there's more to successful QB play than a strong arm. Cutler was one of those QBs lacking the intangibles the elite QBs have for winning. He just wasn't a leader, and that showed up on Sundays and during the week.
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LaserFocus wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
DingoLadd wrote:
Jay Cutler is a top 2 QB in bears history, That alone makes me feel for bears fans.

Glad to see players like cutler and romo enjoy retirement and get away from the concussions and enjoy their life before their brains turn to jelly.


Jay Cutler has like all of the passing records for the Chicago Bears. I think he is the best they have ever had.


If the NFL passing game was unchanged over the decades, career lifetime stats would carry more weight. But it was tougher to pass 20 years ago, even more difficult 40 years ago, and when HOF QB Sid Luckman played, it was a nightmare. It's not an honest comparison, so we have to add the important element of winning to QB evaluation.

Jay Cutler had great physical tools, and had nice stats. Unfortunately, there's more to successful QB play than a strong arm. Cutler was one of those QBs lacking the intangibles the elite QBs have for winning. He just wasn't a leader, and that showed up on Sundays and during the week.


Overall team composition plays a bigger role in winning than QB play. Evaluating just on wins is worse than evaluating just on stats. Cutler was an average to above average QB and was never put in an ideal position to win. Even the 2010 team that went all the way to the NFCCG had an atrocious line and nothing at wideout.

Luck plays a big part in these things and Cutler never had much of it that wasn't bad.
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Wont last long.

Next year, he'll just turn his job over to Darrelle Revis, and Bears fans will claim its because he had too many producers and directors.


Lol even in retirement Jay can't get any slack from 43


It's just comical at this point


You must be amused quite easily. Confused

The only time Ive ever been that hard on Cutler is when people tried to act like he was something than he wasnt, and when Bears fans would constantly make excuses for the guy.

Over the last few years, however, Ive hardly even talked about him. Im flattered you guys remember how hard I was on him 5-6 years ago....but again, that was mainly a product of how much some of you overrated him.
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Lol

Cutler played on a team with arguably the best overall defense in the NFL from 2010-2012 on average, with the best special teams in the NFL over that stretch, Matt Forte at running back, a year with Olsen at tightend and a season with Marshall/Jeffrey at receiver. And we still have people saying he was never given a chance to win because he didnt also have a great line.

Then he has back to back seasons with Marshall/Jeffrey/Forte/Bennett and plays poorly while getting badly outplayed by Josh McCown. He also had a season in Denver with arguably the best offensive line in the league, Marshall at WR, and a variety of solid targets else were and his passer rating was at the league average.

Now this last season he gets badly outplayed by Brian Hoyer and arguably Matt Barkley.

In the end he has a passer from the time he enters the league to the present that is below Kyle Orton's over that stretch of time.

The Bears weren't a terrible team during most of Cutler's career and did not get a bad roster until they decided to blow things up after the Trestman debacle.

How ANYONE can argue Cutler somehow went into a bad situation is beyond comprehension. He played on numerous offenses with elite talent that are built in a variety of different ways and systems but failed to get above average results. He got a chance to play on a team with elite defense, special teams, and running backs and still found a way to keep the team out of the postseason 2/3 years.

It seems like people want to say that Cutler could get to the playoffs if you have him the 08 Bronco's offensive line, 13-14 Bears weapons, and 10-12 Bears defense and special teams.


The response some fans have in this thread explain how Chicago somehow let an injury prone QB who is journeyman caliber when healthy fleece them for 120 million dollars, two first round picks, and a third.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patriotsheatyan wrote:
Lol

Cutler played on a team with arguably the best overall defense in the NFL from 2010-2012 on average, with the best special teams in the NFL over that stretch, Matt Forte at running back, a year with Olsen at tightend and a season with Marshall/Jeffrey at receiver. And we still have people saying he was never given a chance to win because he didnt also have a great line.

Then he has back to back seasons with Marshall/Jeffrey/Forte/Bennett and plays poorly while getting badly outplayed by Josh McCown. He also had a season in Denver with arguably the best offensive line in the league, Marshall at WR, and a variety of solid targets else were and his passer rating was at the league average.

Now this last season he gets badly outplayed by Brian Hoyer and arguably Matt Barkley.

In the end he has a passer from the time he enters the league to the present that is below Kyle Orton's over that stretch of time.

The Bears weren't a terrible team during most of Cutler's career and did not get a bad roster until they decided to blow things up after the Trestman debacle.

How ANYONE can argue Cutler somehow went into a bad situation is beyond comprehension. He played on numerous offenses with elite talent that are built in a variety of different ways and systems but failed to get above average results. He got a chance to play on a team with elite defense, special teams, and running backs and still found a way to keep the team out of the postseason 2/3 years.

It seems like people want to say that Cutler could get to the playoffs if you have him the 08 Bronco's offensive line, 13-14 Bears weapons, and 10-12 Bears defense and special teams.


The response some fans have in this thread explain how Chicago somehow let an injury prone QB who is journeyman caliber when healthy fleece them for 120 million dollars, two first round picks, and a third.
6 OCs in 8 years. His first year with the Bears he had an offensive line that allowed a record 9 sacks in a half against NYG. His #1 WR was Devin Hester, and the defense was so injured at one point they were starting the 5th, 6th, & 7th LBs on the team. 2010 the defense stayed healthy, added Chris Harris, the OL was moderately improved, Ron Turner was gone and low and behold the Bears made the NFCCG. 2011 Same oc as 2010, OL even more improved. WRs are still terrible, but Jay gets the team off to a 7-3 start, one of if not the hottest team in the NFL and then breaks his thumb. Bears miss the playoffs. 2012 new OC again, defense on the decline but still darn good, finally adds a #1 WR in Brandon Marshall, Bears go 10-6 but still miss the playoffs. Start of the Mark Trestman era in 13-14 (was not outplayed by Josh McCown btw, only an idiot would claim that, go look at the defenses each faced, then go look at the luck of McCown who through 11 near interceptions, like ball hitting the defense in the hands near interceptions) 2015 Yet another new OC, Jay has arguably his best year as a Bear, that OC becomes an HC and still another new OC is brought in. No Jay was not given a great situation. He was given absolute crap on the offensive side for the majority of his time as a Bear (excluding Matt Forte from that for obvious reasons) and on top of being given absolute crap, 2 years, 2 effin years out of 8, he started a season without learning an entirely new offense. To try to make it sound like Jay went into a perfectly normal situation for a QB is asinine.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
6 OCs in 8 years.


Correct, bad quarterbacks get offensive coordinators fired. It also doesn't help that Cutler did not personally get along with several of them and helped pick Trestman as his head coach.

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His first year with the Bears he had an offensive line that allowed a record 9 sacks in a half against NYG. His #1 WR was Devin Hester, and the defense was so injured at one point they were starting the 5th, 6th, & 7th LBs on the team.


That Giants game was in 2010.

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2010 the defense stayed healthy, added Chris Harris, the OL was moderately improved, Ron Turner was gone and low and behold the Bears made the NFCCG.


Yes,because of a top 4 defense, the leagues best special teams unit by DVOA, Matt Forte and Greg Olsen. Not because of Cutler's 3200 yard passing season with a rating at around the league average.

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2011 Same oc as 2010, OL even more improved. WRs are still terrible, but Jay gets the team off to a 7-3 start, one of if not the hottest team in the NFL and then breaks his thumb. Bears miss the playoffs.


Maybe the only time I ever remember Cutler looking impressive. His injury prone nature still cost a team with a top three defense, the leagues best special teams unit, and one of the leagues best running games the playoffs.

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2012 new OC again,


The Bears got a new offensive coordinator because the old decided he would rather retire than play with Jay, who publicly told him to F off and proved himself to be uncoachable.

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defense on the decline but still darn good,


That was by far the best Lovie Smith defense since he went to the Super Bowl.

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, finally adds a #1 WR in Brandon Marshall, Bears go 10-6 but still miss the playoffs.


Teams don't just miss the playoffs with a defense ranked as one of the best in their history by DVOA, an elite special teams unit, a top ten running game, Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey at receiver and Forte to catch passes out of the backfield. That takes a special level of bad from the quarterback. Cutler provided that.

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Start of the Mark Trestman era in 13-14


You literally just posted this, put a statement in parenthesis, and moved on to 2015. You have absolutely no way to even attempt to address why the Cutler lead Bears offense was average in 2013 and below average in 2014 with the leagues best offensive playmakers.

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(was not outplayed by Josh McCown btw, only an idiot would claim that, go look at the defenses each faced, then go look at the luck of McCown who through 11 near interceptions, like ball hitting the defense in the hands near interceptions)


Only an idiot would deny that Cutler was badly outplayed by McCown. McCown had a passer rating 20 points higher than Cutler and had nearly 100 extra yards passing per game. He led the Bears to a better record than Cutler. And while you whine about fictional turnovers, the real McCown had one turnover in 7 games while the real Cutler had 15 turnovers in 11 games.

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2015 Yet another new OC,


Right, because Cutler's inability to produce a decent offense with Forte, Bennett, Marshall, and Jeffrey got the entire organization fired and roster purged.
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patriotsheatyan wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
6 OCs in 8 years.


Correct, bad quarterbacks get offensive coordinators fired. It also doesn't help that Cutler did not personally get along with several of them and helped pick Trestman as his head coach.

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His first year with the Bears he had an offensive line that allowed a record 9 sacks in a half against NYG. His #1 WR was Devin Hester, and the defense was so injured at one point they were starting the 5th, 6th, & 7th LBs on the team.


That Giants game was in 2010.

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2010 the defense stayed healthy, added Chris Harris, the OL was moderately improved, Ron Turner was gone and low and behold the Bears made the NFCCG.


Yes,because of a top 4 defense, the leagues best special teams unit by DVOA, Matt Forte and Greg Olsen. Not because of Cutler's 3200 yard passing season with a rating at around the league average.

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2011 Same oc as 2010, OL even more improved. WRs are still terrible, but Jay gets the team off to a 7-3 start, one of if not the hottest team in the NFL and then breaks his thumb. Bears miss the playoffs.


Maybe the only time I ever remember Cutler looking impressive. His injury prone nature still cost a team with a top three defense, the leagues best special teams unit, and one of the leagues best running games the playoffs.

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2012 new OC again,


The Bears got a new offensive coordinator because the old decided he would rather retire than play with Jay, who publicly told him to F off and proved himself to be uncoachable.

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defense on the decline but still darn good,


That was by far the best Lovie Smith defense since he went to the Super Bowl.

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, finally adds a #1 WR in Brandon Marshall, Bears go 10-6 but still miss the playoffs.


Teams don't just miss the playoffs with a defense ranked as one of the best in their history by DVOA, an elite special teams unit, a top ten running game, Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey at receiver and Forte to catch passes out of the backfield. That takes a special level of bad from the quarterback. Cutler provided that.

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Start of the Mark Trestman era in 13-14


You literally just posted this, put a statement in parenthesis, and moved on to 2015. You have absolutely no way to even attempt to address why the Cutler lead Bears offense was average in 2013 and below average in 2014 with the leagues best offensive playmakers.

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(was not outplayed by Josh McCown btw, only an idiot would claim that, go look at the defenses each faced, then go look at the luck of McCown who through 11 near interceptions, like ball hitting the defense in the hands near interceptions)


Only an idiot would deny that Cutler was badly outplayed by McCown. McCown had a passer rating 20 points higher than Cutler and had nearly 100 extra yards passing per game. He led the Bears to a better record than Cutler. And while you whine about fictional turnovers, the real McCown had one turnover in 7 games while the real Cutler had 15 turnovers in 11 games.

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2015 Yet another new OC,


Right, because Cutler's inability to produce a decent offense with Forte, Bennett, Marshall, and Jeffrey got the entire organization fired and roster purged.
So bad OCs get QBs killed. Ron Turner was a bad OC. Mike Martz was a good OC (as long as Lovie had a firm grip on the leash). Martz did not retire bc of Jay, and Jay did not publicly tell Martz to F off. He was caught on camera in a game lipping what appeared to be saying "tell Mike to F off" If it was Martz, it was likely in response to what was being said in his ear. But once again the media ran away with a narrative. Martz actually retired bc he did not like being told he had to run the ball. Martz wanted to drop Jay back every play and let him chuck it deep. No that wasn't the best Lovie defense since the Superbowl, the best Lovie defense since the SuperBowl was 2008. Now you are going to come back with stats that say it was only #18 overall, #21 in ppg. My reply is go watch the games. The offense that they were saddled with rarely managed a first down. The Bears D of that year played nearly 400 more snaps than league avg, and it was the most in the NFL by a wide margin. But then again I'm not a statistician. I watch games, which if you watched games you wouldn't have so many blatantly false statements in your replies. Go watch McCown's stretch at QB, then come back and tell me how impressive his 1 INT was in that stretch. How accurate that statement is. I watched every single game, a few of them more than once. I know how bad McCown really looked and how much the offense around him made him look better bc they were facing really bad defenses. As for Jay having any thing to do with Marc Trestman being fired, no, he didn't. Marc Trestman was fired bc a) he attached himself to Mel Tucker and didn't replace him after the first year when he had a chance. B) He attached himself to Aaron Kromer who had betrayed everybody in the locker room and nobody trusted him, and Trestman failed to fire him immediately. C) Bc Trestman lost complete and total control of the locker room. Emery was fired bc he was really bad at his job. Fired the 3rd winningest coach in franchise history to replace him with Dr. Death (chicago radio's nickname for Marc Trestman) drafted only 2 players of any note in his time as GM. And bc he failed to force Trestman to fire Kromer when Kromer had lost the trust of the lockerroom.

I blame Jay for what Jay is responsible for. He threw some bad picks bc of too much trust in his arm. He didn't ingratiate himself to the media and that made his time in Chicago difficult. I blame Lovie for what he is responsible for. Lovie didn't hire an OC and keep them. He failed to convince Martz to stick around. He put Mike Tice in a role that he was not suited for. Those are Lovie's fault. I blame Angelo for what he is responsible. In his entire time as GM he did nothing, and I mean nothing to help out his QB. After Jay was traded for, Angelo added zero, zilch, nada, for weapons or OL help either early in the draft or through FA, save for Gabe Carimi who turned out to be terrible. I blame Phil Emery for what he is responsible for, again offering little help to the QB (but he did draft Kyle Long and Alshon Jeffery in his first draft so kudos for that). But that's what I do, I put the blame where it belongs and I don't paint a blatantly false picture.
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If Cutler is going to get 100% of the blame for getting OCs fired (none of whom are in the league anymore by the way), then he should also be given 100% of the credit for Adam Gase getting a head coach job.

Both arguments are ridiculous.

Also, the reason the Bears missed the playoffs in 2013 was not Cutler (who had them winning the Packers game with 38 seconds to go, it's from 2 defensive screw ups:

1. Rodgers is sacked with the ball knocked forward after the sack - Bears defense stands around with hands on hips looking at a ball sitting on the ground for 5-10 seconds while Boykin calmly WALKS up to the ball, picks it up and runs it in for a TD.
2. Chris Conte misinterprets a Lance Briggs audible, stays in zone instead of switching to man. Julius Peppers loses contain and falls over, allowing Rodgers to throw a game winning TD pass to a completely uncovered Randall Cobb
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I genuinely think Jay Cutler is goi to make an entire 360 with the media and fan bases once they get to see a different side of them. Easily has the potential to become the most entertaining NFL analyst.
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I think Cutty would've been better if he didn't get totally mishandled by Denver's management or at least go to a better team than Chicago. He could have been a top 10 QB I think in a better situation.

I'll be interested in seeing the memes as him as an analyst soon. Laughing
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