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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Jamal Charles Reply with quote

So the broncos got jamal charles. 1 year 1 million. Is it worth it at all. I like him for or screen game.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Jamal Charles Reply with quote

BroncosNO.1 wrote:
So the broncos got jamal charles. 1 year 1 million. Is it worth it at all. I like him for or screen game.

900k is the lowest he can sign for with 7-9 years NFL experience. I think that's the #. He has 2.85M more in incentives. Those won't be guaranteed yet if it's incentives (or roster bonus).

If the 900k base is not guaranteed then we can walk away if he shows that he doesn't have it during TC/preseason. Given he has surgery on both knees in November (meniscus one knee and cleanup in other), 2 ACL surgeries and he's 30 (and missed 24 games the last 2 years) - it would be fantastic if the deal is not guaranteed. In that case literally zero risk. If the 900k is guaranteed it's iffier but hard to complain that cheaply.

Renck and VJ say JC is being viewed as a complementary piece. But as BF2010 pointed out in the FA thread he has to win the #2 job. Our #3 RB has always contributed on ST, JC won't. Especially with Henderson & McKenzie in the team, and so many ST losses, hard to see the #3 RB being a RB-only. Versatility will probably decide who wins the #3 job. That means he has to be the #2 RB or better otherwise we likely cut...especially if the base salary isn't guaranteed.

JC apparently is expected to miss all of OTA's so we won't know until TC opens where things stand. But sounds like a low or zero risk move. All depends on the base being guaranteed or not. We should know in the next couple of days.

So if there is 0 guaranteed $ then obviously hard to worry. Literally zero risk.

On that note - how much guaranteed $ is JC worth? Besides the 900k there could be a small bonus to sign. Or none of the base is guaranteed and the incentives are all based on making the squad or games played. Knowing the risk injury wise and no ST ability, and as a "complementary piece" how much guaranteed $ is he getting? Let's play a guessing game and see what Elway got.

I'll go bold and say Elway got JC to sign for 0 guaranteed base. Maybe 500k signing bonus. Total guess. What do others say?
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if he took a physical is it worth it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its a worthy risky but I am 50/50 that he even makes the team.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BroncosFan2010 wrote:
I think its a worthy risky but I am 50/50 that he even makes the team.


I actually agree.

We're gonna be in a little bit of a crunch if we want to keep 4 RB's (I feel like Henderson might have to be on the roster) and 3 QB's (maybe they can bring Kelly along slow to slip him onto the PS) and then of course all our receivers/specialists.

If Charles is healthy this is really fun and obviously low risk. Going into camp with 4/5 potential RB's (2 of which are coming off injuries) isn't a bad thing.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

champ11 wrote:
BroncosFan2010 wrote:
I think its a worthy risky but I am 50/50 that he even makes the team.


I actually agree.

We're gonna be in a little bit of a crunch if we want to keep 4 RB's (I feel like Henderson might have to be on the roster) and 3 QB's (maybe they can bring Kelly along slow to slip him onto the PS) and then of course all our receivers/specialists.

If Charles is healthy this is really fun and obviously low risk. Going into camp with 4/5 potential RB's (2 of which are coming off injuries) isn't a bad thing.
I suspect they will find some way to stash Kelly on IR to save that roster spot. Something like "lingering discomfort in his thumb" or whatever it takes.
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champ11 wrote:
BroncosFan2010 wrote:
I think its a worthy risky but I am 50/50 that he even makes the team.


I actually agree.

We're gonna be in a little bit of a crunch if we want to keep 4 RB's (I feel like Henderson might have to be on the roster) and 3 QB's (maybe they can bring Kelly along slow to slip him onto the PS) and then of course all our receivers/specialists.

If Charles is healthy this is really fun and obviously low risk. Going into camp with 4/5 potential RB's (2 of which are coming off injuries) isn't a bad thing.
I suspect they will find some way to stash Kelly on IR to save that roster spot. Something like "lingering discomfort in his thumb" or whatever it takes.


Kelly's also coming off ACL injury so the Broncos have many outs to keep him ooff the active roste. They could even put him on PUP and that would give them 7 weeks to decide whether to redshirt him for the whole year.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an awful lot of players at RB. How many could we possible keep?

We have CJ, Booker, Janovich, DeAngelo, Thompson, Pierce and now JC. I'm not sure if McCoy's offense is going to use a traditional FB but I thought Janovich was a nice piece last year, both on offense and on ST, before he got hurt and I'd hate to see us part ways with him in just his second season.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's an awful lot of players at RB. How many could we possible keep?

We have CJ, Booker, Janovich, DeAngelo, Thompson, Pierce and now JC. I'm not sure if McCoy's offense is going to use a traditional FB but I thought Janovich was a nice piece last year, both on offense and on ST, before he got hurt and I'd hate to see us part ways with him in just his second season.


Well there are 2 good players, both of which are coming off injuries, two young and unproven players (1 of which was bad last year but showed flashes) and two bad players. 1 of which could be valuable as a ST. I would expect Janovich to be a lock and will be used in ST
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pierce and JT probably not making this team.
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Pierce and JT probably not making this team.


Yeah we can keep 1 FB and 3 RB active on game day if both the 3rd RB and FB are ST assets. I think Janovich seems safe. Thompson is likely gone can't really justify 2 FB. At least not on the 53 man roster. Pierce is a goner. D-Henderson seems like a PS lock barring the TC/preseason of a lifetime or an injury to one of the guys ahead of him.

It does underline how JC has to win the #2 RB job to stick. He can't contribute on ST return / coverage units. The old version of JC no question would win the #2 job, heck the old version would be the starter. But the post-ACL x 2 / meniscus / age 30 version? More likely he's nowhere close. I agree with champ & BF2010 he's far from a lock to make the team. The risk is so low though even if the likelihood is low that he's close to the old JC the payoff is worth the risk, assuming the guaranteed $ is still at 1M or less.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A)I think Charels is a signing if Henderson doesn't progress like he could. Guy was a 6th round pick and has tremendous upside but played against lower competition.
B) I think Cj anderson might be moved in a trade still. Philly has 3 3rd down rbs and Cj can do it all. I could see netting a 5th in return that could escalate to a 4th if Cj anderson reaches some incentives.
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AnAngryAmerican wrote:
There's an awful lot of players at RB. How many could we possible keep?

We have CJ, Booker, Janovich, DeAngelo, Thompson, Pierce and now JC. I'm not sure if McCoy's offense is going to use a traditional FB but I thought Janovich was a nice piece last year, both on offense and on ST, before he got hurt and I'd hate to see us part ways with him in just his second season.


Yup, that's a lot of bodies. I'm not sure, but I think only the rookie is PS eligible.

I'd think CJ, Booker and Janovich are pretty solid. I'd think for either Pierce or JC to crack the roster they'd have to be 1 or 2 on the depth chart since neither are ST guys.

Personally I think it's a long shot for either one to make the team. They'd have to be their old selves to have a good chance.

I'd love to see a healthy JC in the backfield but that's probably wishful thinking. If our rookie shows well in pre-season (good enough he won't clear waivers) it makes cracking the roster that much tougher.
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BroncoBruin wrote:
Pierce and JT probably not making this team.


Yeah we can keep 1 FB and 3 RB active on game day if both the 3rd RB and FB are ST assets. I think Janovich seems safe. Thompson is likely gone can't really justify 2 FB. At least not on the 53 man roster. Pierce is a goner. D-Henderson seems like a PS lock barring the TC/preseason of a lifetime or an injury to one of the guys ahead of him.

It does underline how JC has to win the #2 RB job to stick. He can't contribute on ST return / coverage units. The old version of JC no question would win the #2 job, heck the old version would be the starter. But the post-ACL x 2 / meniscus / age 30 version? More likely he's nowhere close. I agree with champ & BF2010 he's far from a lock to make the team. The risk is so low though even if the likelihood is low that he's close to the old JC the payoff is worth the risk, assuming the guaranteed $ is still at 1M or less.

I guess right now, if JC can be even a semblance of the JC of old (which I have my doubts), the depth chart may look as follows:

1. CJ
2. JC
3. Booker (w/ ST capability)
4 (FB). Janovich (w/ ST capability)

DeAngelo on the PS
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BroncoBruin wrote:
champ11 wrote:
BroncosFan2010 wrote:
I think its a worthy risky but I am 50/50 that he even makes the team.


I actually agree.

We're gonna be in a little bit of a crunch if we want to keep 4 RB's (I feel like Henderson might have to be on the roster) and 3 QB's (maybe they can bring Kelly along slow to slip him onto the PS) and then of course all our receivers/specialists.

If Charles is healthy this is really fun and obviously low risk. Going into camp with 4/5 potential RB's (2 of which are coming off injuries) isn't a bad thing.
I suspect they will find some way to stash Kelly on IR to save that roster spot. Something like "lingering discomfort in his thumb" or whatever it takes.



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