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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugashane wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
As I said in another thread Fox was here to add experience in Pace's first few seasons but he was never the end game...much like Denver where he built an impressive defence but couldn't then kick on and win the big one before being replaced by an offensive guy to push them over the top...same process here...let Fox continue to work on helping the young guys on this D for another season then pair Trubisky with an offensive minded HC and let them grow...Carmichael Jr is an easy name to put out there but with the players we have on offence you can see the fit...the question is does he have the attitude to be an HC or is he a right hand man?...I get the impression McDaniel will will have learned a lot from his first HC experience and been humbled a little...Jim Bob Cooter seems like an upcoming name...and the real wildcard Todd Downing...a guy who helped develop Matt Stafford & Derek Carr and who the Raiders sacked their OC just so they could promote him to stop another team poaching him...could be this years Sean McVay.


Downing also got a respectable passing game out of Orton and Manuel in 2014 as a QB coach.

Cooter has a bit of a checkered past with the DUI and surprise spooning ordeal, though they were a number of years ago. I'm not sure Pace would look past that though.

Carmichael is interesting because he has lead a dynamic offense with Payton, but it is just hard to imagine he is THE major cog when you have Sean Payton and Drew Brees involved around him. But being the top offense 3-4 out of his years as OC isn't a fluke. I wish we knew more if he had a commanding presence in a locker room or will able to get the "father figure treatment" Lovie got with his players. Either can work, but I have no clue on him. He may be the next Trestman.

McDaniels is a top choice to me, as he got smacked pretty hard in DEN. I look past his year in STL since he had a garbage cast to work with and no personnel power. While we won't be threatening Brady lead offenses, I think he would really be able to advance Trubisky as a QB. I think he and Pace would have a very high-energy dynamic and Pace would be able to supply him with talented players.

Harbaugh is making a ton at Michigan, I would still at least make a call if I was Pace. He would demand a massive deal, likely getting over $9 mil per year (the highest in the NFL) among other demands, so I doubt that would even be considered, but if so he would be the choice without a doubt.


Carmichael was calling plays for some of the most explosive offenses the Saints have had, so that makes me smile.

Plus, Pace knows him I would have to think. Carmichael has been there since 2006 which means they have 8 seasons together in the same organization.

Wouldn't shock me one iota, ESPECIALLY if Payton/Brees vouch for the guy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still Need

-#1 WR [White]
-#1 CB
-#1 S
-OT
-5 Technique [Bullard]
-OLB youth

Now of course guys can grow into those roles in 2017, but those are the needs that I see right now.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
As I said in another thread Fox was here to add experience in Pace's first few seasons but he was never the end game...much like Denver where he built an impressive defence but couldn't then kick on and win the big one before being replaced by an offensive guy to push them over the top...same process here...let Fox continue to work on helping the young guys on this D for another season then pair Trubisky with an offensive minded HC and let them grow...Carmichael Jr is an easy name to put out there but with the players we have on offence you can see the fit...the question is does he have the attitude to be an HC or is he a right hand man?...I get the impression McDaniel will will have learned a lot from his first HC experience and been humbled a little...Jim Bob Cooter seems like an upcoming name...and the real wildcard Todd Downing...a guy who helped develop Matt Stafford & Derek Carr and who the Raiders sacked their OC just so they could promote him to stop another team poaching him...could be this years Sean McVay.


Downing also got a respectable passing game out of Orton and Manuel in 2014 as a QB coach.

Cooter has a bit of a checkered past with the DUI and surprise spooning ordeal, though they were a number of years ago. I'm not sure Pace would look past that though.

Carmichael is interesting because he has lead a dynamic offense with Payton, but it is just hard to imagine he is THE major cog when you have Sean Payton and Drew Brees involved around him. But being the top offense 3-4 out of his years as OC isn't a fluke. I wish we knew more if he had a commanding presence in a locker room or will able to get the "father figure treatment" Lovie got with his players. Either can work, but I have no clue on him. He may be the next Trestman.

McDaniels is a top choice to me, as he got smacked pretty hard in DEN. I look past his year in STL since he had a garbage cast to work with and no personnel power. While we won't be threatening Brady lead offenses, I think he would really be able to advance Trubisky as a QB. I think he and Pace would have a very high-energy dynamic and Pace would be able to supply him with talented players.

Harbaugh is making a ton at Michigan, I would still at least make a call if I was Pace. He would demand a massive deal, likely getting over $9 mil per year (the highest in the NFL) among other demands, so I doubt that would even be considered, but if so he would be the choice without a doubt.


Carmichael was calling plays for some of the most explosive offenses the Saints have had, so that makes me smile.

Plus, Pace knows him I would have to think. Carmichael has been there since 2006 which means they have 8 seasons together in the same organization.

Wouldn't shock me one iota, ESPECIALLY if Payton/Brees vouch for the guy.


Pace's proximity is the key factor. We might not have any information other than reports of Brees and Co lauding him, but Pace should have a MUCH better idea of his leadership ability. He clearly should be advanced even in the NFL with the X's and O's.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugashane wrote:
G08 wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
As I said in another thread Fox was here to add experience in Pace's first few seasons but he was never the end game...much like Denver where he built an impressive defence but couldn't then kick on and win the big one before being replaced by an offensive guy to push them over the top...same process here...let Fox continue to work on helping the young guys on this D for another season then pair Trubisky with an offensive minded HC and let them grow...Carmichael Jr is an easy name to put out there but with the players we have on offence you can see the fit...the question is does he have the attitude to be an HC or is he a right hand man?...I get the impression McDaniel will will have learned a lot from his first HC experience and been humbled a little...Jim Bob Cooter seems like an upcoming name...and the real wildcard Todd Downing...a guy who helped develop Matt Stafford & Derek Carr and who the Raiders sacked their OC just so they could promote him to stop another team poaching him...could be this years Sean McVay.


Downing also got a respectable passing game out of Orton and Manuel in 2014 as a QB coach.

Cooter has a bit of a checkered past with the DUI and surprise spooning ordeal, though they were a number of years ago. I'm not sure Pace would look past that though.

Carmichael is interesting because he has lead a dynamic offense with Payton, but it is just hard to imagine he is THE major cog when you have Sean Payton and Drew Brees involved around him. But being the top offense 3-4 out of his years as OC isn't a fluke. I wish we knew more if he had a commanding presence in a locker room or will able to get the "father figure treatment" Lovie got with his players. Either can work, but I have no clue on him. He may be the next Trestman.

McDaniels is a top choice to me, as he got smacked pretty hard in DEN. I look past his year in STL since he had a garbage cast to work with and no personnel power. While we won't be threatening Brady lead offenses, I think he would really be able to advance Trubisky as a QB. I think he and Pace would have a very high-energy dynamic and Pace would be able to supply him with talented players.

Harbaugh is making a ton at Michigan, I would still at least make a call if I was Pace. He would demand a massive deal, likely getting over $9 mil per year (the highest in the NFL) among other demands, so I doubt that would even be considered, but if so he would be the choice without a doubt.


Carmichael was calling plays for some of the most explosive offenses the Saints have had, so that makes me smile.

Plus, Pace knows him I would have to think. Carmichael has been there since 2006 which means they have 8 seasons together in the same organization.

Wouldn't shock me one iota, ESPECIALLY if Payton/Brees vouch for the guy.


Pace's proximity is the key factor. We might not have any information other than reports of Brees and Co lauding him, but Pace should have a MUCH better idea of his leadership ability. He clearly should be advanced even in the NFL with the X's and O's.


Yup. It doesn't hurt at all that some of the Saints' most explosive offensive seasons (scoring) have been with Carmichael calling plays.

Can he lead a team/be a leader of men? Who is his defensive coordinator, etc? Should be interesting to monitor.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

topwop1 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
As I said in another thread Fox was here to add experience in Pace's first few seasons but he was never the end game...much like Denver where he built an impressive defence but couldn't then kick on and win the big one before being replaced by an offensive guy to push them over the top...same process here...let Fox continue to work on helping the young guys on this D for another season then pair Trubisky with an offensive minded HC and let them grow...Carmichael Jr is an easy name to put out there but with the players we have on offence you can see the fit...the question is does he have the attitude to be an HC or is he a right hand man?...I get the impression McDaniel will will have learned a lot from his first HC experience and been humbled a little...Jim Bob Cooter seems like an upcoming name...and the real wildcard Todd Downing...a guy who helped develop Matt Stafford & Derek Carr and who the Raiders sacked their OC just so they could promote him to stop another team poaching him...could be this years Sean McVay.


I wouldn't get your hopes up or bank on it happening unless the Bears have another really poor season with 5 or less wins, and even then it might not be a slam dunk.

Both Pace and Fox look entrenched for at least the next couple of years.

Forget the money part, if they were going to make a move at HC then they would have already done it with Trubisky being added to the mix. To fire all the coaches after his 1st year of development in the NFL seems like an extremely backwards move.


If we go 3-5 wins again this year there is no way Fox survives.
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