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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walterfootball just did a lazy mock. I checked it out to see which corners I should watch next year. The 1st round was fine, but for the 2nd round here's the pick and explanation:

Micah Kizer: Because Kirksey will be a free agent.
Royce Freeman: Because Crowell will be a free agent.
Bill Price: Because John Greco will be a free agent. Shocked

So they basically assume we lose everybody and don't sign a replacement. Also, why the hell would we spend a 2nd rounder on a replacement for Greco?


Anyways, Derwin James is the name to remember for next year. Tarvarus McFadden too.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Walterfootball just did a lazy mock. I checked it out to see which corners I should watch next year. The 1st round was fine, but for the 2nd round here's the pick and explanation:

Micah Kizer: Because Kirksey will be a free agent.
Royce Freeman: Because Crowell will be a free agent.
Bill Price: Because John Greco will be a free agent. Shocked

So they basically assume we lose everybody and don't sign a replacement. Also, why the hell would we spend a 2nd rounder on a replacement for Greco?


Anyways, Derwin James is the name to remember for next year.


Thing I noticed was Walter had us picking in spots that indicated we had won some games. 6th I think. Not like Walter.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Walterfootball just did a lazy mock. I checked it out to see which corners I should watch next year. The 1st round was fine, but for the 2nd round here's the pick and explanation:

Micah Kizer: Because Kirksey will be a free agent.
Royce Freeman: Because Crowell will be a free agent.
Bill Price: Because John Greco will be a free agent. Shocked

So they basically assume we lose everybody and don't sign a replacement. Also, why the hell would we spend a 2nd rounder on a replacement for Greco?


Anyways, Derwin James is the name to remember for next year. Tarvarus McFadden too.



Walterfootball.com is the absolute worst, they go months without updating their profiles. Yuck
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: 2018 NFL Draft QB Prospects (Info, Rankings, Talk, Etc.) Reply with quote

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The 2018 QB Class

Wanted to start a thread for info and discussion on next year's guys. Let the discussion begin!!!

I'm multiple games in on various prospects and the 2018 QB class is filled with what I think are 5 Franchise QB types, 2 of them (Sam Darnold and Luke Falk) with immediate Day 1 Franchise QB impact and being on a different level in terms of overall skill for elite QB play than the other 3 (Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Riley Ferguson) that possess major franchise QB upside but have more glaring deficiencies or limitations in their game that may ultimately prevent them from ascending to blue chip franchise QB status. After watching 8 games, I feel that people don't even know about Luke Falk's special play ability and how it is on the level of Darnold, albeit with less superior arm talent. I think Luke Falk is the guy that Hue has been looking for, and he is the guy that I want next year. If the players remain healthy, Sam Darnold and Josh Allen will go 1 and 2 b/c they have superior arm tools and look the part more than Falk. So, tons of teams will be fighting to get one of those guys. I'd love to get one of them, but I say let the other teams go after them at the top of the board, and maybe Falk falls to us assuming we pick somewhere from 5-7 after winning 4 or 5 games this upcoming season.


Tier 1--Blue-chip QB1, Day 1 Franchise QB:


1a.Sam Darnold, USC (8 games watched):
The Good: Uncanny poise, foot quickness, and power arm in the face of exterior and interior pressure. Pocket movement skills advanced. Elite deep ball velocity and pinpoint accuracy. Uncanny anticipation thrower instincts for such a young QB. See's it and processes early and has the confidence to let it rip before the WR is open.
The Bad: Tries to guide throws in at times instead of ripping it leading to poor mechanics and spotty inaccuracy. Jump shuffles a la Aaron rodgers but unlike Rodgers Darnold doesn't maintain a wide base so often finds himself out of rhythm on timing throws when outside pressure is beating down on him.

1b. Luke Falk, Wash. St.(10 games watched):
The Good: Elite poise, elite pocket movement under pressure. Routinely back shoulders when the CB is over the top. Great vision. Protypical pass set and shuffle rhythm where feet are always ready for a mechanically sound throw. Really spins it. Mike Leach's system has evolved and puts a ton of offensive line adjustments and receiver changing of routes at the line in the QBs hand---Faulk signals quickly and seems to diagnose the defense quickly. Self made walk on player that can take hard coaching.
The Bad: Fades in the pocket and throws off back foot too often. Sometimes short arms throws over the middle. Multiple games where defensive pressure had no chance to get to him due to great offensive scheming. Not sure about his knowledge in blitz pick up. A lot of five wide sets...would love to see him under center.

Tier 2- Franchise QB Upside:

3. Josh Rosen, UCLA:(10 games watched)
The Good: Sidenote--will be the most misunderstood prospect when people finally start to watch him and realize his game doesn't always "jump off the tape." Those that have heard all the hype that he's the next Luck-type will be shocked at his lack of major arm strength and will in a reactionary fashion call him "overhyped, the next Matt Leinart, and not good." They'll miss that although he's not Luck what he is, is the best technicien in terms of pocket movement work and throws with uncanny anticipation on the level of phillip rivers coming out of college. The best pinpoint ball placement on drive routes with timing. More pinpoint accurate and better anticipatory thrower version of Andy Dalton. Constantly puts the ball in places to maximize run after catch and to protect the WR.
The Bad: Arm strength is uneven and often marginal. Slow-footed athlete. Decision-making seizes up under pressure. Holds the ball too long waiting for the primary receiver to come open instead of moving on to the net read. Tends to stare things down too much. Needs a sturdier front foot when inside pressure comes as a result he tends to fade when perceiving pressure with the result being inaccurate passes.

4. Josh Allen, Wyoming (7 games watched):
The Good: More deep ball power velocity than Mahomes. A-plus athlete. Rare Unicorn type throws outside the pocket. What he does in terms of throwing the ball outside the pocket on the run is a notch above Mahomes and Manziel and more in line with Rodgers in terms of fitting the ball in the smallest of windows on the sideline.
The Bad: Some of the worst late throw interceptions of all time. Inconsistent decision maker. Believes no throw is impossible. Over strides and poor mechanics lead to the ball sailing. Flees the pocket too soon. Poise is great on one play than really bad next. When he runs cold, it can be hard to watch as there becomes a snowballing of poor decisions.

5. Riley Ferguson, Memphis: (8 games watched)[/u]
The Good: Ultra competitor. Can be a force on the field with his competitive spirit to the point where his teammates come alive on the sideline and raise their level of play in critical moments based on his energy. Gunslinger in the truest of senses. Deep ball bucket thrower extraordinaire.
The Bad: Pocket movement and footwork is underdeveloped and inconsistent. Not a great anticipation thrower. Needs to be in the West-Coast two read Deep to Boundary offense as he struggles with opposite side of the field 1,2 progression reading. Escapes to run from the blitz instead of trying to win in the pocket. Would be perfect in Saints offense as Drew Brees successor.


Tier 4: Developmental Starter with Good Tools and Traits


6. Lamar Jackson, Louisville
The Good: Beyond elite running ability there is some overlooked Big time arm talent. All his throws are all whipped arm from the upper body as he has the worst lower body mechanics and narrow base in the history of football (overstated but it's awful). Does a good job stepping up in the pocket to throw.
The Bad: The most narrow base thrower in the history of the game. Basically up on his toes with no leverage or weight transfer from back to front leg.. Who the hell is not coaching him on this?? Narrow base with his feet together in his passing set lead to all inaccuracies, all misses.

7. Brett Rypien, Boise St.
The Good: Great anticipation thrower. Understands the proper footwork for pro-WR routes that allow perfect timing on velocity throws. Nice deep ball drop in the bucket thrower. Has a full grasp of the audible game and getting the offense out of bad situations.
The Bad: Arm strength may be a serious issue in the pro game. Needs to get the ball out faster in the redzone. Tends to hold onto the ball to avoid mistakes too often in the redzone foregoing plays that are there and need to be made. Needs to play more free and let it rip.


Tier 5--Developmental QBs with Tools:


8. Mason Rudolph, Ok St.

The Good: Great sideline timing thrower. Good accuracy thrower on the deep post.
The Bad: Parachute on his deep ball. Doesn't respond to inside pressure with the ability to sidestep or move up to find a new platform to throw.

9. Quinton Flowers, USF
The Good: A gamer. Will be the biggest riser. David Garrard type with more explosive athleticism and big time arm. Clutch performer with the ability to win and slide in the pocket to throw on timing.
The Bad: Escapes pressure to run when remaining patient might provide a big time passing opportunity. Needs to work on throwing with anticipation

11. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
The Good: When he's hot, he's a franchise changing QB with his blitz avoidance movement, ability to win inside and out the pocket, and deep ball accuracy.
The Bad: Hot and cold on decision making in the same quarter. Too inconsistent with footwork. Throws too many 50/50 balls.


The Next 3:
---Need to watch more but saw some limitations that I didn't like.

12. Trace McSorley, PSU
13. Jake Browning, Washington
14. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn



All-Overrated But will get a lot of love

Drew Lock, Missouri: Feet in mud, statue, can't handle the rush.
Nick Fitzgerald, Miss St: Feet in mud, feet stuck under pressure, can only throw in a clean pocket.[/b]


Just saw 3 games that have changed my overall perception of Baker Mayfield's upside. He really put it together in a string of 4 games in terms of eye manipulation of the secondary and big boy throws. Still don't know about him off the field, but he moves up my list 4 spots after also digging more into Mason Rudolph's game and finding it lacking

Also, watched 2 more games of Mason Rudolph that makes me see him the same. I'm not getting what people are seeing with him as some are saying he's a top 3 QB. He's a statue and stares down routes tremendously.

There's just so much to like about the competitive spirit of Quinton Flowers. When he's not running for his life, his pocket stature is very much so like David Garrard. He makes some serious throws and surprisingly throws with good anticipation.

Drew Lock and Fitzgerald are not nfl QBs but big guys that can see it and throw it. They process the game so slow. Their height/wt/speed will push them up people's board's late, but they truly are mudd feet statues with no real pocket poise and zero pocket movement. They're not going to be on my list unless something seriously changes in their development. Fitzgerald is a tough football player however that's fun to cheer for.

The Stidham as a top 4 QB1 is crazy. He has a lot of Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert in him. Calm pocket demeanor. Less than plus arm more on the level of Locker. Not a lot of tape to go on. Could be just a guy.

Jake Browning showed me some things in terms of high level of football intelligence despite his marginal arm that makes me think that he may have functional value in a west coast quick hit offense so he moves up a few spots as well.

Still don't know what to make of mcsorley as he seems like a back yard football player that throws it up for WR to make plays in big moments. Need to see more of him to put his play within the context of the rest of these guys.

Still have Falk as number 2 despite not being the athletic specimen nor the big time arm QB of Allen and Rosen. His pocket poise and pocket rhythm is just so advanced that he will be a successful starter in the league. A lot of Kurt Warner in his game. Moves like Kurt Warner as they are not plus athletes and has a natural feel for pressure and quick pressure avoidance maneuvers like an early career Kurt Warner to give him enough time to get the ball out on a safer throwing platform.

Ultimately, Kurt Warner like tape won't excite when two of the most gifted athlete and arm QBs will likely be coming out next year in Allen and Darnold. Rosen has special anticipatory feel in his passing game. They'll all go ahead of Luke Falk, but given a great offensive line, I expect Falk to do work just like Warner by winning with timing, pocket awareness, football intelligence, and pinpoint ball placement.

My revised rankings are


1. Sam Darnold (Rich Gannon/Aaron Rodgers)
2. Luke Falk (Kurt Warner)
3. Josh Allen (no one, A magical unicorn; bigger more athletic Jay Cutler)
4. Josh Rosen (Alex Smith/Joe Flacco throwing demeanor)
5. Riley Ferguson (Andy Dalton)
6. Baker Mayfield (Jeff Garcia/Kevin Kolb)
7. Lamar Jackson (Narrow base Base poorer mechanics Michael Vick)
8. Quinton Flowers (David Garrard, Doug Flutie)
9. Brett Rypien (Cody Kessler/John Beck)
10. Jake Browning (Less Arm talented Blake Bortles)
11. Mason Rudolph (Matt Schuab)
12. Trace McSorley (?) ---stronger arm Charlie Frye ***credit pnies
13. Jarrett Stidham

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When I watch mcsorley I see Charlie frye or Hogan. Just thought I'd mention it since you have a ?
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pnies20 wrote:
When I watch mcsorley I see Charlie frye or Hogan. Just thought I'd mention it since you have a ?


MMmmhhhhmmmm!! That Charlie Frye comp is strong. Wow...they both really have that big play clutch factor backyard ball feel. Strong competitive spirit on the field as well. Mcsorley probably the better athlete and has a stronger arm, but that will be the comp I go with going forward.
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Well, you guys can count me in the Drew Lock bandwagon. IMO, on arm talent alone (which was what he was known for coming out of H.S, dude has a flame thrower) he is the best in the class. I know he has a lot of other aspects of his game he needs to work on, like dead feet, and eye manipulation. But with his physical tools, and the type of throws he's made, I think his game translates the NFL pretty nicely. His name will be in the conversation by the season's end, book it.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Well, you guys can count me in the Drew Lock bandwagon. IMO, on arm talent alone (which was what he was known for coming out of H.S, dude has a flame thrower) he is the best in the class. I know he has a lot of other aspects of his game he needs to work on, like dead feet, and eye manipulation. But with his physical tools, and the type of throws he's made, I think his game translates the NFL pretty nicely. His name will be in the conversation by the season's end, book it.


Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."
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Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Well, you guys can count me in the Drew Lock bandwagon. IMO, on arm talent alone (which was what he was known for coming out of H.S, dude has a flame thrower) he is the best in the class. I know he has a lot of other aspects of his game he needs to work on, like dead feet, and eye manipulation. But with his physical tools, and the type of throws he's made, I think his game translates the NFL pretty nicely. His name will be in the conversation by the season's end, book it.


Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."



No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Well, you guys can count me in the Drew Lock bandwagon. IMO, on arm talent alone (which was what he was known for coming out of H.S, dude has a flame thrower) he is the best in the class. I know he has a lot of other aspects of his game he needs to work on, like dead feet, and eye manipulation. But with his physical tools, and the type of throws he's made, I think his game translates the NFL pretty nicely. His name will be in the conversation by the season's end, book it.


Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."



No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.


I literally thought you're post was meant to be a joke b/c I saw your post in the NFL draft forum "Drew Lock...that is all." B/c it was short in brief and I thought I vaguely remember you trolling people in the Browns forum before (apparently I was wrong) I thought that was a purposeful trolling statement, and I had a good laugh. I didn't think you were serious. But it seems I was wrong.

I'm not an expert at all. Just a random guy with opinions that's been around football all his life. I'm willing to listen to any compelling argument or evidence based analysis. I'm willing to change my mind.

Okay, then...stand behind your words then.

Put forth an evidenced based account and I can respect that, or at least point me in the direction of a game that could change my perception. I'm cool being wrong.

You're going all "Come at me bro."

Tell me what games I should watch to change my opinion...I've seen 5 and his poise is really bad. Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). Completion percentage means nothing really and isn't the best indicator of ball placement and accuracy but even without adjusting for anything as it is it's at 54% in an offense that has bubble screens. That's madness. He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

So, what are you seeing that suggest he's a top guy? What should be looked at in terms of projecting him to the next level?

I'd be glad to hear it.

He could undergo major development and growth and you could end up being right that he's one of the top guys. He does have a big arm that I originally underestimated. But based on what he's shown on the field thus far...I just don't see it with the small sample size of games of his I've watched (5).
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Mind Character, am I experiencing dejavu or or you actually having the same exact argument in two different sections? Laughing
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Bonanza23 wrote:
Mind Character, am I experiencing dejavu or or you actually having the same exact argument in two different sections? Laughing


Lol...yep

MSU made comments in two places...so I replied back in 2 places with the good old copy/paste

Shout out to copy/paste.
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Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Drew Lock, that's all....


Troll King, MSURacerDT55. Lol....I salute you..

Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."


A. Whats troll about liking Drew Lock?

B. Who are you? You just come out of the blue talking like some expert

C. No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.

D.You better earn some stripes around here before you try to come at me rookie


I literally thought you're post was meant to be a joke b/c I saw your post in the NFL draft forum "Drew Lock...that is all." B/c it was short in brief and I thought I vaguely remember you trolling people in the Browns forum before (apparently I was wrong) I thought that was a purposeful trolling statement, and I had a good laugh. I didn't think you were serious. But it seems I was wrong.

Okay, then...stand behind your words then.

Put forth an evidenced based account and I can respect that.

You're going all "Come at me bro."

Tell me what games I should watch to change my opinion...I've seen 5 and his poise is really bad. Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

So, what are you seeing that suggest he's a top guy? What should be looked at in terms of projecting him to the next level?

I'd be glad to hear it.


Sigh....Bro, I don't even know who you are, the post was not meant for you and you aren't an authority figure in the least where I even have to entertain your questions, Next


Of course, I'm not an authority figure...lol. It's a discussion board where ppl post random thoughts and random sh** to pass the time. I'm the same

I thought you might be interested in a discussion on a discussion board. But you're not. Cool by me.

The facts on Drew Lock remain the same:

Big big time arm. Beautiful thrower of the ball.

Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). Completion percentage means nothing really and isn't the best indicator of ball placement and accuracy but even without adjusting for anything as it is it's at 54% in an offense that has bubble screens. That's madness. I've never seen a top QB like that. He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

Has the tools to be a top guy if he makes the jump and grows. Not seeing yet though.

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Msu has been here for 8 years and has been right more than a few times. He's spot on a good bit tbh.

That's the benefit of not being new, he doesn't have to "prove" his opinion with every post, his history of posts does that for him with many of us.

Mind, I like your contributions but you seem to see opinions on prospects as facts, as if breaking down a prospect's film to the smallest minutia will give you "facts" about how they will play in the future. It doesn't. If you've been around football your whole life (however long that is), you should probably know this.

It's ok to disagree, folks see different things and there isn't a way to "prove" your opinion.

Calling out a long time, well respected poster as if he's some sort of noob is a bad look IMO.

I appreciate strong opinions as much as the next guy, but I just hope you hang around long enough to eat a little crow when the things you "knew" turn out to be wrong.

Jesus now I'm writing novels...
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Msu has been here for 8 years and has been right more than a few times. He's spot on a good bit tbh.

That's the benefit of not being new, he doesn't have to "prove" his opinion with every post, his history of posts does that for him with many of us.

Mind, I like your contributions but you seem to see opinions on prospects as facts, as if breaking down a prospect's film to the smallest minutia will give you "facts" about how they will play in the future. It doesn't. If you've been around football your whole life (however long that is), you should probably know this.

It's ok to disagree, folks see different things and there isn't a way to "prove" your opinion.

Calling out a long time, well respected poster as if he's some sort of noob is a bad look IMO.

I appreciate strong opinions as much as the next guy, but I just hope you hang around long enough to eat a little crow when the things you "knew" turn out to be wrong.

Jesus now I'm writing novels...



Thanks, I never have once interacted with this guy and I offer an opinion and he wants to attack me? Come on, if you have an issue with me tell me, if you dont agree fine thats what this board is all about. Where im from, you at least have a beer with a guy before you cross those roads.


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