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How Many 1st Round QB's in 2018 ???
One
5%
 5%  [ 4 ]
Two
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
Three
20%
 20%  [ 16 ]
Four
40%
 40%  [ 32 ]
Five
15%
 15%  [ 12 ]
Six
6%
 6%  [ 5 ]
Seven
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Eight
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
More than Eight
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
Blank - I just want to see the results
6%
 6%  [ 5 ]
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CHOCOLATITO


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHOCOLATITO wrote:
Explain to me why you guys aren't as high on Mason Rudolph? It's weird he's already being overlooked at as QB1.


Seriously though?

6'5, 235, great arm, 3 years of playing experience, doesn't turn the ball over, has touch, accurate, throws a great deep ball, durable, good character kid. He's absolutely going 1st Round.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHOCOLATITO wrote:
CHOCOLATITO wrote:
Explain to me why you guys aren't as high on Mason Rudolph? It's weird he's already being overlooked at as QB1.


Seriously though?

6'5, 235, great arm, 3 years of playing experience, doesn't turn the ball over, has touch, accurate, throws a great deep ball, durable, good character kid. He's absolutely going 1st Round.


All QBs have good and bad qualities.

My original post on Rudolph was the following:

"8. Mason Rudolph, Ok St.
The Good: Great sideline timing thrower. Good accuracy thrower on the deep post.
The Bad: Parachute on his deep ball. Doesn't respond to inside pressure with the ability to sidestep or move up to find a new platform to throw."

My QB rating for Rudolph his based on his inability to thrive under pressure. IF you watch games like Colorado, Central Michigan, Texas, WVU...Rudolph operates in a clean pocket.

His accuracy looks great, he throws with timing and anticipation, and shows off a big arm. He's not Brandon Weeden at all and I don't like making school to school QB comparisons, but it applies in that Weeden was amazing in a clean pocket...in a scheme with a quick release game. Under pressure, Weeden completely unravels.

I see Rudolph the same way. When the pockets not clean, his decision making, footwork, decision making seizes up, accuracy is off, and ultimately all that is good about Rudolph comes apart.

Pocket poise can make up for a lot of deficiencies. It also suppresses great ability as is the case with Rudolph.

To me, you don't judge a QB based on what he does in a clean pocket, but what he does under duress.

In a spread offense, Luke Falk shows poise under inside and outside pressure. Rudolph does not yet. He may improve, we shall see.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drew Lock, that's all....
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Drew Lock, that's all....


Troll King, MSURacerDT55. Lol....I salute you..

Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Drew Lock, that's all....


Troll King, MSURacerDT55. Lol....I salute you..

Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."


A. Whats troll about liking Drew Lock?

B. Who are you? You just come out of the blue talking like some expert

C. No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.

D.You better earn some stripes around here before you try to come at me rookie
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was painful to watch Jake Browning in the playoff game. There are some good QB's in the 2018 class, but he is not one of them.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Drew Lock, that's all....


Troll King, MSURacerDT55. Lol....I salute you..

Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."


A. Whats troll about liking Drew Lock?

B. Who are you? You just come out of the blue talking like some expert

C. No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.

D.You better earn some stripes around here before you try to come at me rookie


I literally thought you're post was meant to be a joke b/c I saw your post in the NFL draft forum "Drew Lock...that is all." B/c it was short in brief and I thought I vaguely remember you trolling people in the Browns forum before (apparently I was wrong) I thought that was a purposeful trolling statement, and I had a good laugh. I didn't think you were serious. But it seems I was wrong.

I'm not an expert at all. Just a random guy with opinions that's been around football all his life. I'm willing to listen to any compelling argument or evidence based analysis. I'm willing to change my mind.

Okay, then...stand behind your words then.

Put forth an evidenced based account and I can respect that.

You're going all "Come at me bro."

Tell me what games I should watch to change my opinion...I've seen 5 and his poise is really bad. Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). He's not accurate. Completion percentage means nothing really and isn't the best indicator of ball placement and accuracy but even without adjusting for anything as it is it's at 54% in an offense that has bubble screens. That's madness. He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

So, what are you seeing that suggest he's a top guy? What should be looked at in terms of projecting him to the next level?

I'd be glad to hear it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Drew Lock, that's all....


Troll King, MSURacerDT55. Lol....I salute you..

Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."


A. Whats troll about liking Drew Lock?

B. Who are you? You just come out of the blue talking like some expert

C. No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.

D.You better earn some stripes around here before you try to come at me rookie


I literally thought you're post was meant to be a joke b/c I saw your post in the NFL draft forum "Drew Lock...that is all." B/c it was short in brief and I thought I vaguely remember you trolling people in the Browns forum before (apparently I was wrong) I thought that was a purposeful trolling statement, and I had a good laugh. I didn't think you were serious. But it seems I was wrong.

Okay, then...stand behind your words then.

Put forth an evidenced based account and I can respect that.

You're going all "Come at me bro."

Tell me what games I should watch to change my opinion...I've seen 5 and his poise is really bad. Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

So, what are you seeing that suggest he's a top guy? What should be looked at in terms of projecting him to the next level?

I'd be glad to hear it.


Sigh....Bro, I don't even know who you are, the post was not meant for you and you aren't an authority figure in the least where I even have to entertain your questions, Next
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
Drew Lock, that's all....


Troll King, MSURacerDT55. Lol....I salute you..

Lol. Let me guess.....you saw that highlight tape that doesn't show him in blitz avoidance and shows all his perfect completions.

Do you know what it takes to have a 54% completion percentage in the Mizzou spread offense? His actual On Target Accuracy Percentage is LOWER than 50%....do you know how hard that is to accomplish? I'm actually impressed at how off target his throws are than anything else in his game.

Haha...."he will be overhyped by people watching 3 minute highlight video by season's end. Book it."


A. Whats troll about liking Drew Lock?

B. Who are you? You just come out of the blue talking like some expert

C. No, I actually saw live game watching Charles Harris and Terry Beckner Jr.....

Don't go down this road with me bro, its never safe to assume anything with me. And I have zero problem standing behind my words, especially from some new loud mouth guy

Its about upside and projection, not where they are currently. Apparently that isn't obvious to you.

D.You better earn some stripes around here before you try to come at me rookie


I literally thought you're post was meant to be a joke b/c I saw your post in the NFL draft forum "Drew Lock...that is all." B/c it was short in brief and I thought I vaguely remember you trolling people in the Browns forum before (apparently I was wrong) I thought that was a purposeful trolling statement, and I had a good laugh. I didn't think you were serious. But it seems I was wrong.

Okay, then...stand behind your words then.

Put forth an evidenced based account and I can respect that.

You're going all "Come at me bro."

Tell me what games I should watch to change my opinion...I've seen 5 and his poise is really bad. Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

So, what are you seeing that suggest he's a top guy? What should be looked at in terms of projecting him to the next level?

I'd be glad to hear it.


Sigh....Bro, I don't even know who you are, the post was not meant for you and you aren't an authority figure in the least where I even have to entertain your questions, Next


Of course, I'm not an authority figure...lol. It's a discussion board where ppl post random thoughts and random sh** to pass the time. I'm the same

I thought you might be interested in a discussion on a discussion board. But you're not. Cool by me.

The facts on Drew Lock remain the same:

Big big time arm. Beautiful thrower of the ball.

Accuracy is less than 51% when you adjust for on target/off target throws and it's less than 47% when you take out bubble screens. Has multiple games in the 40% (that's unheard of for a top projected QB). Completion percentage means nothing really and isn't the best indicator of ball placement and accuracy but even without adjusting for anything as it is it's at 54% in an offense that has bubble screens. That's madness. I've never seen a top QB like that. He's not accurate. Big time arm....yes....good athlete yes. Pocket poise, accuracy, and rush avoidance movement and instincts...no...absolutely no.

Has the tools to be a top guy if he makes the jump and grows. Not seeing yet though.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 9:06 pm    Post subject: Top guys for 2018 and 2019 Reply with quote

2018:

Sam Darnold, USC
Josh Rosen, UCLA
Josh Allen, Wyoming
Mason Rudolph, Oklaholma State

2019:

Jacob Eason, Georgia
Shea Patterson, Ole Miss
Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
Deondre Francois, Florida State
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[quote="TheSCOUT"]The 2018 Draft is shaping up to be the Best QB draft class of all time.

Currently there are 10 QB's with a potential 1st round grade.


Here are the Potential 1st Round QB prospects for the 2018 Draft Class.

1. Sam Darnold - USC
2. Josh Rosen - UCLA
3. Lamar Jackson - Louisville
4. Josh Allen - Wyoming
5. Luke Falk - Washington St.
6. Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma
7. Jarrett Stidham - Auburn
8. Jake Browning - Washington
9. Max Browne - Pittsburgh
10. Mason Rudolph - Oklahoma St.


2. Rosen is extremely overhyped
3. Lamar is an athlete in the NFL at this point
6. Baker is short
7. Stidham hasn't played in a year
8. Browning is short with middling arm talent.
9. Browne threw about 40-50 passes last year
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Surprised Clayton Thorson gets no love. I think he can be a Tannehill level starter.
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Jeezla wrote:
It was painful to watch Jake Browning in the playoff game. There are some good QB's in the 2018 class, but he is not one of them.


He's still relatively young and we'll see how he progresses/doesn't progress this year.

I'm not willing to give up on him just because he faced a Nick Saban defense MUCH better than anything he's ever seen.

His shoulder surgery in January is a red flag, but could also be an explanation of why he struggled as the season went/also against Bama. His height/frame at around 6'1/6'2 and 205-210 is also a concern.

I could see his floor being around Cody Kessler/Aaron Murray (mid level developmental QB with great ball placement/IQ and a poor arm) and his ceiling developing into Matt Ryan...elite ball placement/IQ, average arm with great intangibles and other qualities.
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MWil23 wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
It was painful to watch Jake Browning in the playoff game. There are some good QB's in the 2018 class, but he is not one of them.


He's still relatively young and we'll see how he progresses/doesn't progress this year.

I'm not willing to give up on him just because he faced a Nick Saban defense MUCH better than anything he's ever seen.

His shoulder surgery in January is a red flag, but could also be an explanation of why he struggled as the season went/also against Bama. His height/frame at around 6'1/6'2 and 205-210 is also a concern.

I could see his floor being around Cody Kessler/Aaron Murray (mid level developmental QB with great ball placement/IQ and a poor arm) and his ceiling developing into Matt Ryan...elite ball placement/IQ, average arm with great intangibles and other qualities.


Matt Ryan is 6'4" with good arm strength. Browning may not be 6'0" and has a very poor arm. John Ross would have had at least another 5 TD if Browning didn't have such a weak arm. Undraftable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
CHOCOLATITO wrote:
CHOCOLATITO wrote:
Explain to me why you guys aren't as high on Mason Rudolph? It's weird he's already being overlooked at as QB1.


Seriously though?

6'5, 235, great arm, 3 years of playing experience, doesn't turn the ball over, has touch, accurate, throws a great deep ball, durable, good character kid. He's absolutely going 1st Round.


All QBs have good and bad qualities.

My original post on Rudolph was the following:

"8. Mason Rudolph, Ok St.
The Good: Great sideline timing thrower. Good accuracy thrower on the deep post.
The Bad: Parachute on his deep ball. Doesn't respond to inside pressure with the ability to sidestep or move up to find a new platform to throw."

My QB rating for Rudolph his based on his inability to thrive under pressure. IF you watch games like Colorado, Central Michigan, Texas, WVU...Rudolph operates in a clean pocket.

His accuracy looks great, he throws with timing and anticipation, and shows off a big arm. He's not Brandon Weeden at all and I don't like making school to school QB comparisons, but it applies in that Weeden was amazing in a clean pocket...in a scheme with a quick release game. Under pressure, Weeden completely unravels.

I see Rudolph the same way. When the pockets not clean, his decision making, footwork, decision making seizes up, accuracy is off, and ultimately all that is good about Rudolph comes apart.

Pocket poise can make up for a lot of deficiencies. It also suppresses great ability as is the case with Rudolph.

To me, you don't judge a QB based on what he does in a clean pocket, but what he does under duress.

In a spread offense, Luke Falk shows poise under inside and outside pressure. Rudolph does not yet. He may improve, we shall see.


I have Rudolph as #5 on my QB list behind Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Jackson. Borderline 1st rounder but likely will go round 1 because of position.

I have Falk right behind Rudolph. Last season should decide each's fate. Each has an opportunity to move up significantly if they progress nicely as the season unfolds.
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