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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chargerbuckeye wrote:
Not on the Field. But Definitely off the Field. Similar to Manziel, He comes from a wealthy family, but not Texas Oil Wealthy

They both came from money but they're not alike off the field at all.
lol exactly. Nothing like Manziel.

Plus Rosen lashed out against a very polarizing political figure. Props to him.
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I really don't understand what people take issue with on Josh Rosen. The dude knows he comes from a wealthy family. He acknowledges he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. All he does is have fun and look out for his teammates who have disadvantages. The guy started a fundraising event in high school without telling anyone and raised thousands of dollars so all his teammates could travel to Hawaii. The dude gripes about the NCAA taking advantage of less fortunate people. What it really comes down to is that he upsets old-school football dudes who want him to shut up. Rosen looks out for people who got a raw deal and does what he can within the rules to speak out about it. What a terrible guy. I can't speak to his work ethic. But he just seems like a young guy who likes to have fun and poke the man once and a while. He's inquisitive and likes to ask why, and that upsets people.


Another Manziel

Not at all.



Not on the Field. But Definitely off the Field. Similar to Manziel, He comes from a wealthy family, but not Texas Oil Wealthy

When Josh Rosen is in Vegas wearing a wig and insisting on being called "Billy" so that he can keep feeding his addictions in secret, call me. Till then, put down the bottle because you sound more like Manziel than Rosen does.

I can see the Rosen and Cam comparison in terms of personality, honestly, I think he's got a lot more in common with Richard Sherman - who frankly a lot of people "take issue" with his personality because he keeps it 100 and they really can't argue with what he's saying because he does a really good job at supporting his posits with facts and figures.
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The LBC wrote:
chargerbuckeye wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
chargerbuckeye wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
I really don't understand what people take issue with on Josh Rosen. The dude knows he comes from a wealthy family. He acknowledges he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. All he does is have fun and look out for his teammates who have disadvantages. The guy started a fundraising event in high school without telling anyone and raised thousands of dollars so all his teammates could travel to Hawaii. The dude gripes about the NCAA taking advantage of less fortunate people. What it really comes down to is that he upsets old-school football dudes who want him to shut up. Rosen looks out for people who got a raw deal and does what he can within the rules to speak out about it. What a terrible guy. I can't speak to his work ethic. But he just seems like a young guy who likes to have fun and poke the man once and a while. He's inquisitive and likes to ask why, and that upsets people.


Another Manziel

Not at all.



Not on the Field. But Definitely off the Field. Similar to Manziel, He comes from a wealthy family, but not Texas Oil Wealthy

When Josh Rosen is in Vegas wearing a wig and insisting on being called "Billy" so that he can keep feeding his addictions in secret, call me. Till then, put down the bottle because you sound more like Manziel than Rosen does.

I can see the Rosen and Cam comparison in terms of personality, honestly, I think he's got a lot more in common with Richard Sherman - who frankly a lot of people "take issue" with his personality because he keeps it 100 and they really can't argue with what he's saying because he does a really good job at supporting his posits with facts and figures.


Yeah.... people wouldn't dislike Sherman for this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-raqTa170eI

This isn't even including the Brady and Crabtree stuff.
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candyman93 wrote:
The LBC wrote:
chargerbuckeye wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
chargerbuckeye wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
I really don't understand what people take issue with on Josh Rosen. The dude knows he comes from a wealthy family. He acknowledges he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. All he does is have fun and look out for his teammates who have disadvantages. The guy started a fundraising event in high school without telling anyone and raised thousands of dollars so all his teammates could travel to Hawaii. The dude gripes about the NCAA taking advantage of less fortunate people. What it really comes down to is that he upsets old-school football dudes who want him to shut up. Rosen looks out for people who got a raw deal and does what he can within the rules to speak out about it. What a terrible guy. I can't speak to his work ethic. But he just seems like a young guy who likes to have fun and poke the man once and a while. He's inquisitive and likes to ask why, and that upsets people.


Another Manziel

Not at all.



Not on the Field. But Definitely off the Field. Similar to Manziel, He comes from a wealthy family, but not Texas Oil Wealthy

When Josh Rosen is in Vegas wearing a wig and insisting on being called "Billy" so that he can keep feeding his addictions in secret, call me. Till then, put down the bottle because you sound more like Manziel than Rosen does.

I can see the Rosen and Cam comparison in terms of personality, honestly, I think he's got a lot more in common with Richard Sherman - who frankly a lot of people "take issue" with his personality because he keeps it 100 and they really can't argue with what he's saying because he does a really good job at supporting his posits with facts and figures.


Yeah.... people wouldn't dislike Sherman for this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-raqTa170eI

This isn't even including the Brady and Crabtree stuff.


Honestly Richard Sherman ripping Skip Bayless apart like that is what made me fall in love with him.
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Darnold is QB1 right now. Young, athletic, big time team who balled out on a big time stage. Comparing him to other USC QB's is just lazy.

Even if you are skeptical, you have to understand why the hype is there. I think he is a not as polished Andrew Luck, but obviously a lot can change throughout the year.
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Marky wrote:
Darnold is QB1 right now. Young, athletic, big time team who balled out on a big time stage. Comparing him to other USC QB's is just lazy.

Even if you are skeptical, you have to understand why the hype is there. I think he is a not as polished Andrew Luck, but obviously a lot can change throughout the year.

That's to be expected as I think he only was a starter for 1 season in high school.
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Darnold is QB1 right now. Young, athletic, big time team who balled out on a big time stage. Comparing him to other USC QB's is just lazy.

Even if you are skeptical, you have to understand why the hype is there. I think he is a not as polished Andrew Luck, but obviously a lot can change throughout the year.

That's to be expected as I think he only was a starter for 1 season in high school.


That's what makes it so scary. He has not played a ton of QB, and he's already this good. Just imagine what he is like with more experience.
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We've seen 2 drafts where Goff/Wentz went 1-2 when it was recognized they were going to need time (even with Wentz doing decently on the field Year 1, not an incorrect evalution), and we've just seen Trubisky go 1.2, and 2 QB's in Watson/Mahomes with very split opinions on their NFL outcomes, yet have had teams trade up in a big way to get to the top 12 to pick them.

Now, we have 2-3 QB's next year who appear more advanced at their stage than any of the QB's the last 2 years....and people aren't supposed to be excited?

I'm not sure any of these guys are as polished as Winston was entering their pre-draft NCAA year, but that's an insanely high bar. They could easily be the best QB prospects since Winston.
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We've seen 2 drafts where Goff/Wentz went 1-2 when it was recognized they were going to need time (even with Wentz doing decently on the field Year 1, not an incorrect evalution), and we've just seen Trubisky go 1.2, and 2 QB's in Watson/Mahomes with very split opinions on their NFL outcomes, yet have had teams trade up in a big way to get to the top 12 to pick them.

Now, we have 2-3 QB's next year who appear more advanced at their stage than any of the QB's the last 2 years....and people aren't supposed to be excited?

I'm not sure any of these guys are as polished as Winston was entering their pre-draft NCAA year, but that's an insanely high bar. They could easily be the best QB prospects since Winston.



I see Joe flacco in Josh Allen. I see Alex Smith in Rosen. I see Darnold going back to school.
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Broncofan wrote:
We've seen 2 drafts where Goff/Wentz went 1-2 when it was recognized they were going to need time (even with Wentz doing decently on the field Year 1, not an incorrect evalution), and we've just seen Trubisky go 1.2, and 2 QB's in Watson/Mahomes with very split opinions on their NFL outcomes, yet have had teams trade up in a big way to get to the top 12 to pick them.

Now, we have 2-3 QB's next year who appear more advanced at their stage than any of the QB's the last 2 years....and people aren't supposed to be excited?

I'm not sure any of these guys are as polished as Winston was entering their pre-draft NCAA year, but that's an insanely high bar. They could easily be the best QB prospects since Winston.


It sure will be exciting during the draft process to see how all 3 top QB prospects are panning out. It is quite possible we could see 3 QB's go 1,2,3 if they all have big final seasons. Should be a real fun time. The potential is certainly there.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Do Not Fall For The Darnold Hype Reply with quote

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But, Someone like Jared Stidham may rise out of nowhere and claim the mantle of most sought after qb in 2018 that is currently held by Rosen or Darnold


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Do Not Fall For The Darnold Hype Reply with quote

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Yes he has looked impressive when it matters, But just like every USC QB, I think this one could be a total disappointment like others before him.

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Past performance by a school can be really relevant if they same HC produced all the flops, but when different HC's are involved, then using that as a judging tools is a complete waste of time and Darnold will stand on his own abilities, which at this point in the process are very, very solid. Just have to wait to see if he can develop even further with another season under his belt to see if he is capable of reaching his high ceiling.


I also don't buy the hype on Rosen, but I think he is Supremely better than Sam Darnold.
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Rosen has perfect form when it comes to throwing a football, probably one of the best of the last decade. One of the best releases I have ever seen with plenty of arm strength to make every throw and the ball comes out of his hand quickly with a perfect spiral almost every time. His problem lies with his character which has left a lot of question marks as to his intangibles and his leadership abilities. There were also serious questions about his shoulder which was injured last year, but they have all been answered in spring practice where he looked to be completely back to his freshmen form with no lingering problems from the injury.


But, Someone like Mason Rudolph, Jared Stidham, or Josh Allen may rise out of nowhere and claim the mantle of most sought after qb in 2018 that is currently held by Rosen or Darnold


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Your quite right, these 3 QB's have solid potential to be 1st rounders with Allen leading the pack. He has top 5 ability IMO, so it isn't a reach that he could top the list by season's end. The other 2 have a longer path to travel, but they could surprise, as prospects can substantially grow with added maturity and experience.


However, the hype surrounding Darnold and Rosen is well deserved and unless they take a step backward or fail to mature with added experience, they will like top the 2018 season as the 1st and 2nd overall picks. Just have to wait to see how the season plays out.
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chargerbuckeye wrote:
Broncofan wrote:
We've seen 2 drafts where Goff/Wentz went 1-2 when it was recognized they were going to need time (even with Wentz doing decently on the field Year 1, not an incorrect evalution), and we've just seen Trubisky go 1.2, and 2 QB's in Watson/Mahomes with very split opinions on their NFL outcomes, yet have had teams trade up in a big way to get to the top 12 to pick them.

Now, we have 2-3 QB's next year who appear more advanced at their stage than any of the QB's the last 2 years....and people aren't supposed to be excited?

I'm not sure any of these guys are as polished as Winston was entering their pre-draft NCAA year, but that's an insanely high bar. They could easily be the best QB prospects since Winston.



I see Joe Flacco in Josh Allen. I see Alex Smith in Rosen. I see Darnold going back to school.


Flacco/Allen isn't a bad comparison, Smith and Rosen is a joke, Smith cannot hold a candle to Rosen's arm strength, and I seriously doubt Darnold returns to school. Declaring has become the way to go with ever increasing #'s declaring every year.
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Iamcanadian wrote:
chargerbuckeye wrote:
Broncofan wrote:
We've seen 2 drafts where Goff/Wentz went 1-2 when it was recognized they were going to need time (even with Wentz doing decently on the field Year 1, not an incorrect evalution), and we've just seen Trubisky go 1.2, and 2 QB's in Watson/Mahomes with very split opinions on their NFL outcomes, yet have had teams trade up in a big way to get to the top 12 to pick them.

Now, we have 2-3 QB's next year who appear more advanced at their stage than any of the QB's the last 2 years....and people aren't supposed to be excited?

I'm not sure any of these guys are as polished as Winston was entering their pre-draft NCAA year, but that's an insanely high bar. They could easily be the best QB prospects since Winston.



I see Joe Flacco in Josh Allen. I see Alex Smith in Rosen. I see Darnold going back to school.


Flacco/Allen isn't a bad comparison, Smith and Rosen is a joke, Smith cannot hold a candle to Rosen's arm strength, and I seriously doubt Darnold returns to school. Declaring has become the way to go with ever increasing #'s declaring every year.


I dislike the flacco/allen comp and its the one i see the most. The arms are comparable with that elite talent, but When I watch him play, i keep thinking he could be big Ben

Smith's arm strength now can't, but remember he didn't come into the league like that. His arm strength wasn't an issue when he was coming out. Multiple shoulder surgeries, including a botched one, didn't help him there. I think rosens arm talent is better than Smith's even as a prospect, (and i think smith was far more athletic), but i think Smith's status now makes now makes comps to him seem much more unflattering.
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I dislike the flacco/allen comp and its the one i see the most. The arms are comparable with that elite talent, but When I watch him play, i keep thinking he could be big Ben


I don't see it either. Allen has significantly better mobility than Flacco, not sure he has the arm strength that Flacco displayed coming out of Delaware either. And I don't recall Flacco having the accuracy issues that Allen has displayed thus far.
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