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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh Lord. My first online forum debate was whether or not Aaron Kampman was a JAG. As you suggest, the problem is that some people mean an average NFL starter and some people mean a mediocre player that needs immediate replacing.


That is actually an interesting discussion. Depending on when in his career this discussion took place, he was either just a guy, or a formidable defensive end.

To me "just a guy," is a player that can be replaced rather easily with similar talent. A lot of the RBs and ILBs we have run through were just guys: Crockett, Jackson, Barrington.
This is how I view it. Joe Thomas is JAG. Josh Boyd is JAG. A player one year in with potential is not JAG, he's a prospect


I love how you use a guy who had his leg nearly amputated as a JAG. Weird man.


I was going to say the same thing about Boyd. Did anyone else mention that he signed with the Colts today? That's a helluva comeback. I'll be pulling for him to make that 53 man roster.
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CentralFC wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
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Oh Lord. My first online forum debate was whether or not Aaron Kampman was a JAG. As you suggest, the problem is that some people mean an average NFL starter and some people mean a mediocre player that needs immediate replacing.


That is actually an interesting discussion. Depending on when in his career this discussion took place, he was either just a guy, or a formidable defensive end.

To me "just a guy," is a player that can be replaced rather easily with similar talent. A lot of the RBs and ILBs we have run through were just guys: Crockett, Jackson, Barrington.
This is how I view it. Joe Thomas is JAG. Josh Boyd is JAG. A player one year in with potential is not JAG, he's a prospect


I love how you use a guy who had his leg nearly amputated as a JAG. Weird man.


I was going to say the same thing about Boyd. Did anyone else mention that he signed with the Colts today? That's a helluva comeback. I'll be pulling for him to make that 53 man roster.


was going to say the exact same thing when I saw the news earlier but got sidetracked. Hell of a story.
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I don't really think Burnett is going anywhere. I think they want to be able to run 3 S looks/a S at ILB in some packages to get more speed in the middle of the field. You can't do that unless you keep Burnett around or add another higher end player for S.


I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that the Packers should jettison Burnett prior to the season, but the list of TT-draftees that have received a 3rd contract is two deep: Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson.
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I don't really think Burnett is going anywhere. I think they want to be able to run 3 S looks/a S at ILB in some packages to get more speed in the middle of the field. You can't do that unless you keep Burnett around or add another higher end player for S.


I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that the Packers should jettison Burnett prior to the season, but the list of TT-draftees that have received a 3rd contract is two deep: Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson.


When Burnett's contract is up he'll be 29 years old. Is this old for an NFL safety?
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I don't really think Burnett is going anywhere. I think they want to be able to run 3 S looks/a S at ILB in some packages to get more speed in the middle of the field. You can't do that unless you keep Burnett around or add another higher end player for S.


I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that the Packers should jettison Burnett prior to the season, but the list of TT-draftees that have received a 3rd contract is two deep: Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson.


And I think it's likely Burnett could be in that Jordy mold of thinking. Leader, playing at a high level, brains and communication skills hugely important, no physical drop in play yet.

There are also other players like Peppers and Woodson he has signed to "3rd" contracts, so I don't see why "Packers drafted" is a distinction. A lot of players either don't last that long or are starting to drop off, so it makes sense most wouldn't be resigned, but I'm not sure I think Burnett fits into either of those categories.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh Lord. My first online forum debate was whether or not Aaron Kampman was a JAG. As you suggest, the problem is that some people mean an average NFL starter and some people mean a mediocre player that needs immediate replacing.


That is actually an interesting discussion. Depending on when in his career this discussion took place, he was either just a guy, or a formidable defensive end.

To me "just a guy," is a player that can be replaced rather easily with similar talent. A lot of the RBs and ILBs we have run through were just guys: Crockett, Jackson, Barrington.
This is how I view it. Joe Thomas is JAG. Josh Boyd is JAG. A player one year in with potential is not JAG, he's a prospect


I love how you use a guy who had his leg nearly amputated as a JAG. Weird man.

What does that have to do with it? He was there, he gave effort, he ate blocks mostly. It sucks, and you feel for the guy, but he wasn't the next Bruce Smith, he was the next CJ Wilson.
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I don't really think Burnett is going anywhere. I think they want to be able to run 3 S looks/a S at ILB in some packages to get more speed in the middle of the field. You can't do that unless you keep Burnett around or add another higher end player for S.


I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that the Packers should jettison Burnett prior to the season, but the list of TT-draftees that have received a 3rd contract is two deep: Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson.


And I think it's likely Burnett could be in that Jordy mold of thinking. Leader, playing at a high level, brains and communication skills hugely important, no physical drop in play yet.

There are also other players like Peppers and Woodson he has signed to "3rd" contracts, so I don't see why "Packers drafted" is a distinction. A lot of players either don't last that long or are starting to drop off, so it makes sense most wouldn't be resigned, but I'm not sure I think Burnett fits into either of those categories.


And that could very well be true. I just see that there is some younger, cheaper talent at the same position, and there will be some big money decisions on the horizon with Rodgers, Matthews, HaHa, Cobb, Nelson, and probably Adams. Maybe some of, or all, of these guys will be gone and there will be plenty of money for other players. But the front office will have to ask themselves if they really need to go 4 or 5 deep at safety or are there better allocations for the cap space?

At this point in time, I fully believe that the 2018 Packers will be able to run whatever 3 safety looks they desire with HaHa-Jones-Brice.
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CentralFC wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
CentralFC wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
blueswedeshoes wrote:


Oh Lord. My first online forum debate was whether or not Aaron Kampman was a JAG. As you suggest, the problem is that some people mean an average NFL starter and some people mean a mediocre player that needs immediate replacing.


That is actually an interesting discussion. Depending on when in his career this discussion took place, he was either just a guy, or a formidable defensive end.

To me "just a guy," is a player that can be replaced rather easily with similar talent. A lot of the RBs and ILBs we have run through were just guys: Crockett, Jackson, Barrington.
This is how I view it. Joe Thomas is JAG. Josh Boyd is JAG. A player one year in with potential is not JAG, he's a prospect


I love how you use a guy who had his leg nearly amputated as a JAG. Weird man.


I was going to say the same thing about Boyd. Did anyone else mention that he signed with the Colts today? That's a helluva comeback. I'll be pulling for him to make that 53 man roster.


was going to say the exact same thing when I saw the news earlier but got sidetracked. Hell of a story.


i was like "aaron kampman just signed with the Colts?????"

ahahahha
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The most common uses of JAG on this forum:

1) Brady Poppinga types. Guys who have long term extended roles and aren't improving and aren't very talented.

2) Unproven Guys who probably won't work out due to low draft position, limited athleticism, or both. Vic So'oto.

3) legitimate NFL starters who aren't superstars who are possibly starting to decline, or hot taeyk guys who aren't playing overly well possibly due to extenuating or injury circumstances. Randall Cobb 2015.

4) Actually very talented players and impactful players whose contributions are not overly obvious. Morgan Burnett, Mike Daniels 2014, etc.

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1000011001) An NCIS spin-off about some lawyer who can fly or something.
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Boyd was totally a JAG. In his first two years he had zero sacks. Not only that there was also a noticeable drop off in our run defence when he was in. He was completely worthless. I think he would've been cut anyway if he never gotten injured. Someone had to make way when Guion came back from his suspension.

Btw Nelson only got that 3rd contract because he was willing to take less to stay at Green Bay. Do we honestly think Burnett will? I don't and I think this will be his last season with us.

Best case scenario we will have Jones stepping up alongside HaHa, there's also the potential of Randall moving to safety next year if corner doesn't work out for him. I'm skeptical because you need to be tough to play safety and Randall is not so I'm really hoping that he will bounce back and have a career year at corner.
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For some reason I believe that the Packers will be looking to make large changes to their defensive back group after that awful showing against Atlanta. I think it opened the coaches and front office eyes that we needed to get bigger and more athletic in order to cope with high powered offences. The entire DB group was a mess. Bringing in House and drafting King and Jones was the start. I think what we will see is significant turnover among the backup group of players, especially at cornerback.

Gunter whilst he performed as well as he could I believe is not part of the long term solution to revamp our defensive group. He has the height but he's too slow to play outside and doesn't have the right body type to play inside. He could be a useful backup but ultimately we don't want our backups to be slow either especially for special teams. He's just not the answer and I think there's a good chance he will be gone at final cuts. Addition through subtraction.

Hawkins is the smallest CB on the roster but he is fast. I can see him making the roster based on his speed alone but he doesn't contribute enough on special teams, not even as a K/P returner. Considering we're trying to get bigger I think he will end up getting cut.

Goodson is an important special teamer for us but if he doesn't show he has fully recovered then there's a good chance he's gone.

I am especially curious about Waters. I like his athleticism. He has the size to play outside. He obviously showed well enough that the Packers felt he could contribute on the 53 as a corner when he signed off the practice squad. With question marks hanging over Gunter, Goodson and Hawkins he has a chance of leapfrogging them and grabbing a roster spot.

As for the UDFAs: Rivers, Pipkins, Donatello. Rivers is almost as tall as Gunter but gives up 15 pounds on him however he is quicker.I like Pipkins physicality and onfield personality but he isn't the UDFA I like the most. Donatello is an older player but he has interesting tape. Its hard to explain but he looks like how a corner should look like. Supposedly he ran a 4.37 and a 39" vert which would make him the most athletic UDFA corner.

The wild card is tryout guy Raysean Pringle. I'm actually anticipating him making the roster. He has some good tape as a RB/WR and has good athleticism. Physically he is almost identical to Rollins but is athletically superior. He offers K/P return ability, something that some of the other corners do not have. His transition to corner will be very interesting to watch over camp. Basically whoever wins the starting K/P return gig is guaranteed a roster spot and he has a fantastic chance of this.

I've ranked the height of all our corners. Guess who the shortest 4 guys were.... Goodson, Rollins, Randall and Hawkins. Overall we had a very short group last year (recently cut Makinton Dorleant is shorter than Randall). It's no coincidence that all the new corners we've brought in are bigger than them and that tells alot about what the Packers are thinking/trying to do and its furthers my belief that there will be a major turnover in that position.

Dorleant gone, Gunter, Goodson and Hawkins probably gone. Rollins is on the bubble. House and King in. I am absolutely convinced we will see a brand new group of cornerbacks this year. Last year we kept 6 corners (not including Hyde). This year I feel there are three locks: King, Randall and House. The other three spots couid be anyone but I'm leaning towards the bigger guys taking those spots.

What do you guys think? do you share my belief that there will be a drastic overhaul to our CB group? Shocked
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The issue is that contracts are awarded by how a player is projected to play in the future instead of what he has done in the past. Outside of a couple exceptions, most of the 3rd-contract guys the Packers have signed are playing for peanuts. If Burnett is ok with that, they might offer him a deal, but if not, I'd guess they let him walk and get a comp pick. Especially if there's a cheap in-house guy that can provide 80% of what a 29+ yr old Burnett can. That's the key.

I figure some struggling team w/ lots of cap space will offer almost as much as he is getting now to bring him in as a good vet presence (like Cleveland with TWill).
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CentralFC wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
blueswedeshoes wrote:


Oh Lord. My first online forum debate was whether or not Aaron Kampman was a JAG. As you suggest, the problem is that some people mean an average NFL starter and some people mean a mediocre player that needs immediate replacing.


That is actually an interesting discussion. Depending on when in his career this discussion took place, he was either just a guy, or a formidable defensive end.

To me "just a guy," is a player that can be replaced rather easily with similar talent. A lot of the RBs and ILBs we have run through were just guys: Crockett, Jackson, Barrington.
This is how I view it. Joe Thomas is JAG. Josh Boyd is JAG. A player one year in with potential is not JAG, he's a prospect


I love how you use a guy who had his leg nearly amputated as a JAG. Weird man.
I used his name cause he was in the news having signed with the Colts so his name was fresh. His injury had nothing to do with the fact he was JAG with us..
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Boyd was totally a JAG. In his first two years he had zero sacks. Not only that there was also a noticeable drop off in our run defence when he was in. He was completely worthless. I think he would've been cut anyway if he never gotten injured. Someone had to make way when Guion came back from his suspension.

Btw Nelson only got that 3rd contract because he was willing to take less to stay at Green Bay. Do we honestly think Burnett will? I don't and I think this will be his last season with us.

Best case scenario we will have Jones stepping up alongside HaHa, there's also the potential of Randall moving to safety next year if corner doesn't work out for him. I'm skeptical because you need to be tough to play safety and Randall is not so I'm really hoping that he will bounce back and have a career year at corner.


would love some more information on how Boyd was a drop off for our run defense.

He was quite easily regarded as a + run defender.

Boyd would not have been cut when Guion returned, either.
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Boyd was totally a JAG. In his first two years he had zero sacks. Not only that there was also a noticeable drop off in our run defence when he was in. He was completely worthless. I think he would've been cut anyway if he never gotten injured. Someone had to make way when Guion came back from his suspension.

Btw Nelson only got that 3rd contract because he was willing to take less to stay at Green Bay. Do we honestly think Burnett will? I don't and I think this will be his last season with us.

Best case scenario we will have Jones stepping up alongside HaHa, there's also the potential of Randall moving to safety next year if corner doesn't work out for him. I'm skeptical because you need to be tough to play safety and Randall is not so I'm really hoping that he will bounce back and have a career year at corner.


would love some more information on how Boyd was a drop off for our run defense.

He was quite easily regarded as a + run defender.

Boyd would not have been cut when Guion returned, either.
So you conveniently forgotten our abysmal run defence forcing us to play Clay Matthews at ILB to temporally fix it. Our run defence was better when Raji was playing and when he got knocked out for the season Boyd did not prove to be an adequate replacement.

Poor run defence + zero sacks = JAG all day long. Laughing
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