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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we need to fire Alexander. His units have underwhelmed in the postseason consistently and his personnel decisions leave A LOT to be desired. Still mad about the whole Nate Livings/Evan Mathis debacle...
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think we need to fire Alexander. His units have underwhelmed in the postseason consistently and his personnel decisions leave A LOT to be desired. Still mad about the whole Nate Livings/Evan Mathis debacle...


I have felt this way for a long time. But for some reason people believe he is a great coach
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
I think we need to fire Alexander. His units have underwhelmed in the postseason consistently and his personnel decisions leave A LOT to be desired. Still mad about the whole Nate Livings/Evan Mathis debacle...


I have felt this way for a long time. But for some reason people believe he is a great coach



Whats even more worrying is that he is the Assistant Head Coach. We're only a Marvin Lewis broken fingernail away from him calling all the shots.......
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LondonBengal wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
I think we need to fire Alexander. His units have underwhelmed in the postseason consistently and his personnel decisions leave A LOT to be desired. Still mad about the whole Nate Livings/Evan Mathis debacle...


I have felt this way for a long time. But for some reason people believe he is a great coach



Whats even more worrying is that he is the Assistant Head Coach. We're only a Marvin Lewis broken fingernail away from him calling all the shots.......


Might be a better game manager than position coach. Actually, I am sure he would be.
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So I have always been a big proponent of a strong offensive line, and I see our deficiency there, but I can't stop being excited about the potential for this team.


Me too. Maybe we bring in Mangold or another Vet but it's possible Fisher and Ogbuehi step up and do alright. If that's the case the offence could feast if Zampese has learnt anything from his first year. The D did pretty well in the last half of the season too last year and it's possible we might actually have a pass rush.


Hobson had a piece about that and dismissed it. He said Alexander is high on Bodine and Mangold wouldn't get playing time.
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ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
I think we need to fire Alexander. His units have underwhelmed in the postseason consistently and his personnel decisions leave A LOT to be desired. Still mad about the whole Nate Livings/Evan Mathis debacle...


I have felt this way for a long time. But for some reason people believe he is a great coach


Have we had any productive linemen who weren't a 1st or 2nd rd pick under Alexander? Has he ever taken a mid to late round guy and molded them into an above average starter? I can't think of any.
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THE DUKE wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
I think we need to fire Alexander. His units have underwhelmed in the postseason consistently and his personnel decisions leave A LOT to be desired. Still mad about the whole Nate Livings/Evan Mathis debacle...


I have felt this way for a long time. But for some reason people believe he is a great coach


Have we had any productive linemen who weren't a 1st or 2nd rd pick under Alexander? Has he ever taken a mid to late round guy and molded them into an above average starter? I can't think of any.

Clint Boling? Didn't have to search too far there.

But really, you are correct. There aren't many. Anthony Collins, Evan Mathis (i guess, though they didn't draft him, he improved a lot while playing for the Bengals), Bobbie Williams had a resurgence with the Bengals and Rich Braham. But, he's been around for a long time, so that's not really an impressive list.
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I don't know if I'd call Clint Boling an above average starter. Collins either. Mathis' best years weren't as a Bengal and Bobbie Williams was already a finished product.

Braham is likely the only one I'd agree was a very good player, and given the shortage of options, I'm as much willing to attribute that to luck than to Alexander making someone better through coaching.
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Yeah Boling is ok to me. But I wouldn't say he is great. Just kind of solid I guess.

Also random but has Rey maualuga been signed yet?
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I think i'd definitely call Boling above average. Great isn't the same.

But whatever, doesn't really matter. We agree, there hasn't been a ton of good linemen coming from the later rounds.
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These Andy Dalton "arm strength" stories are...interesting...

If I'm reading it correctly, the QB Coach he trains with in the offseason made the comments about his arm strength being improved even last season. Not that this offseason he's seen a big jump, which is what Hobson is trying to make it out to be. Or am I reading it wrong?
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These Andy Dalton "arm strength" stories are...interesting...

If I'm reading it correctly, the QB Coach he trains with in the offseason made the comments about his arm strength being improved even last season. Not that this offseason he's seen a big jump, which is what Hobson is trying to make it out to be. Or am I reading it wrong?


Think you're reading it right 'V'.

I've thought throughout Daltons career than in my mind he throws too upright; this might be because he doesn't have the space to step into, or he's been coached to get the ball out quickly in under 2.5 seconds. When I watch someone like Matt Ryan, he often plants that front leg at near 45 degrees, and pivots right through it, getting power into his throws. Dalton doesn't seem ever to power through his front leg, and maybe he'd get more velocity in his throws if he did. This is probably what House and co have been looking at; its all technique. With this OL, Dalton is going to have less time to get rid this year.

Remember Bill Walsh saying arm strength was 100% technique, and not; well, the strength of your arm; when some idiot journalist questioned Montanas' 'arm strength'. Dalton is gonna need everything he has to get the ball deep to Ross; Ross may have to adjust a bit to Dalton like AJ does..
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LondonBengal wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
These Andy Dalton "arm strength" stories are...interesting...

If I'm reading it correctly, the QB Coach he trains with in the offseason made the comments about his arm strength being improved even last season. Not that this offseason he's seen a big jump, which is what Hobson is trying to make it out to be. Or am I reading it wrong?


Think you're reading it right 'V'.

I've thought throughout Daltons career than in my mind he throws too upright; this might be because he doesn't have the space to step into, or he's been coached to get the ball out quickly in under 2.5 seconds. When I watch someone like Matt Ryan, he often plants that front leg at near 45 degrees, and pivots right through it, getting power into his throws. Dalton doesn't seem ever to power through his front leg, and maybe he'd get more velocity in his throws if he did. This is probably what House and co have been looking at; its all technique. With this OL, Dalton is going to have less time to get rid this year.

Remember Bill Walsh saying arm strength was 100% technique, and not; well, the strength of your arm; when some idiot journalist questioned Montanas' 'arm strength'. Dalton is gonna need everything he has to get the ball deep to Ross; Ross may have to adjust a bit to Dalton like AJ does..


Not really. Dalton will have to throw it a shade quicker to a spot to hit Ross, and with this offensive line, that's what needs to happen anyway.
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INbengalfan wrote:
Not really. Dalton will have to throw it a shade quicker to a spot to hit Ross, and with this offensive line, that's what needs to happen anyway.


tbh, Dalton has always thrown it quickly. Even if you look at a guy like Whit, one of the issues I did see with him is that he's fantastic about not getting beat initially but he wasn't as good at sustaining his blocks as long as say an OT like Tyron Smith. So that aspect should be fairly neutral with the switch to Ced.

The problem is going to be the sacks that come in less than 2.5 seconds...
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Does anyone else feel like Jeremy Hill is going to run his arse off this year, and dare I say, return to his rookie year? I predict this mostly because he's in his final yesr of his rookie deal and will be running for a payday. With Mixon in the fold, and Bernard signed, it will likely be elsewhere on the open market. Not to mention Mixon pushing him for snaps all year, he's going to have to really bring his 'A' game.

Hopefully we see him running harder than he has the last two seasons.
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