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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject: 2017 6.25 (209) WR Robert Davis, Georgia State Reply with quote

6'3" 219 so he brings plenty of size but he lacks polish on his routes and of course level of competition is also a concern. Like the 4.4 40 and the 41" vertical so I'm guessing Gruden keeps this kid around as a pet project of sorts. Related to Thomas Davis of Carolina so he'll hopefully come in knowing what being a pro takes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Project the new Ryan Grant IMO
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pick, if Gruden didn't have such a man crush on Grant, I'd say he makes the team. Still hope he does.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please don't compare him to Ryan Grant. This guy has size AND speed and can take the top off the D.

Way too early, but his physical traits match up more to Julio Jones:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As of now, I have him taking Brian Quick's roster spot!!!
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(for more information on my aggregate list see: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=21502742#21502742 )

6.25 (209): Robert Davis, WR from Georgia State; 111th overall with 230.0 aggregate (43.73 std. dev; CBS = 213, DT = 290, NFL.com = 187)

I admit I tend to like guys from small schools, guys who fight for recognition. They have a chip on their shoulder.

However, I prefer guys from small schools when all things are equal (or nearly so). This is why I liked Corey Davis over Mike Williams; if you can be considered to be one of the best wide receivers while playing at Western Michigan, then you're my kind of guy (granted, I was just as stunned that he went 5th overall).

This is not the case with Davis. Available when he was selected:
Isaiah Ford - 138.7 / 17.21
Malachi Dupre - 150.7 / 13.12
KD Cannon - 156.7 / 8.65
Noah Brown - 188.0 / 36.12

All three lists had these four wide receivers ranked before Davis. CBS had Brown only 13 spots ahead of Davis, and NFL.com had Cannon only 29 spots ahead. Other than those two grades, it wasn't close (nearly two full rounds better for any of those guys; DraftTek in particular was cold). Cannon in particular sounds like he could be a poor man's DeSean Jackson, not the worst thing in the world to be.

That's not all, the following were favored on two of the three lists
Travis Rudolph - 161.3 / 45.18 (CBS = 223, 10 spots behind Davis)
Artavis Scott - 199.0 / 44.73 (CBS = 260, 47 spots behind)
Stacy Coley - 204.0 / 5.72 (NFL.com = 197, 10 spots behind)

That's seven other receivers that conceivably could have been better selections. Rudolph in particular sounds like a solid young man, one I would hope gets a shot at the NFL (wasn't drafted).

And this is a pick I actually like.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woz wrote:
(for more information on my aggregate list see: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=21502742#21502742 )

6.25 (209): Robert Davis, WR from Georgia State; 111th overall with 230.0 aggregate (43.73 std. dev; CBS = 213, DT = 290, NFL.com = 187)

I admit I tend to like guys from small schools, guys who fight for recognition. They have a chip on their shoulder.

However, I prefer guys from small schools when all things are equal (or nearly so). This is why I liked Corey Davis over Mike Williams; if you can be considered to be one of the best wide receivers while playing at Western Michigan, then you're my kind of guy (granted, I was just as stunned that he went 5th overall).

This is not the case with Davis. Available when he was selected:
Isaiah Ford - 138.7 / 17.21
Malachi Dupre - 150.7 / 13.12
KD Cannon - 156.7 / 8.65
Noah Brown - 188.0 / 36.12

All three lists had these four wide receivers ranked before Davis. CBS had Brown only 13 spots ahead of Davis, and NFL.com had Cannon only 29 spots ahead. Other than those two grades, it wasn't close (nearly two full rounds better for any of those guys; DraftTek in particular was cold). Cannon in particular sounds like he could be a poor man's DeSean Jackson, not the worst thing in the world to be.

That's not all, the following were favored on two of the three lists
Travis Rudolph - 161.3 / 45.18 (CBS = 223, 10 spots behind Davis)
Artavis Scott - 199.0 / 44.73 (CBS = 260, 47 spots behind)
Stacy Coley - 204.0 / 5.72 (NFL.com = 197, 10 spots behind)

That's seven other receivers that conceivably could have been better selections. Rudolph in particular sounds like a solid young man, one I would hope gets a shot at the NFL (wasn't drafted).

And this is a pick I actually like.
I feel like when you're drafting a WR in the 6th round you're looking for a guy that can fill the 5th WR role on the depth chart. That guy has got to be able to play special teams. Davis is big and fast, a good combination for special teams and I think he'll contribute there. Let's be honest he can't be worse than Ryan Grant.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good pick. He has a lot of potential and should contribute on special teams. I'm not sure he'll make the roster over Brian Quick, Ryan Grant or Maurice Harris, but who knows? Stranger things have happened.

I think most likely he's a practice squad player this year as he develops.
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turtle28 wrote:
Good pick. He has a lot of potential and should contribute on special teams. I'm not sure he'll make the roster over Brian Quick, Ryan Grant or Maurice Harris, but who knows? Stranger things have happened.

I think most likely he's a practice squad player this year as he develops.


Couldn't find any pro day numbers for Harris (he was a non-invite to the Combine), but for comparison's sake:

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PLAYER          HT      WT      ARM     HAND    40YD    BENCH   VERT    BROAD   3CONE   SHUTTLE
Brian Quick     6'4"    220     34.25"  9.75"   4.55s   15reps  34.0"   119.0"  7.10s   4.23s
Ryan Grant      6'0"    199     31.00"  9.63"   4.64s   8 reps  35.5"   119.0"  6.68s   4.11s
Robert Davis    6'3"    219     33.00"  9.63"   4.44s   19reps  41.0"   136.0"  6.82s   4.28s


Size-wise, he's got Grant beat. In raw athletics, he is more impressive than both in every stat except 3-cone (where Grant beats him out slightly), and short shuttle (where Grant beats him again, and is essentially tied with Quick).

Given that I have seen nothing out of Grant or Quick in the NFL as actual receivers, I don't see why he cannot bounce them both from the roster provided he can catch the ball and run routes. More likely, you're right and he ends up not making the final 53, but I wouldn't immediately write him off.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idk I think grant will be gone and I think Davis makes the roster

Pryor, doctson, crowder, quick, Davis, and Harris if we keep 6
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MKnight82 wrote:
I feel like when you're drafting a WR in the 6th round you're looking for a guy that can fill the 5th WR role on the depth chart. That guy has got to be able to play special teams. Davis is big and fast, a good combination for special teams and I think he'll contribute there. Let's be honest he can't be worse than Ryan Grant.


It's why I told turtle that I wouldn't immediately pencil Davis onto the practice squad: that is not a high bar to hurdle.
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Am I the only one that thinks Quick will not make the roster?

Pryor
Doctson
Crowder
Davis
Grant
Harris?

Hard for me to see Quick out performing some of these younger guys that Jay really likes.
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Woz wrote:
(for more information on my aggregate list see: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=21502742#21502742 )

6.25 (209): Robert Davis, WR from Georgia State; 111th overall with 230.0 aggregate (43.73 std. dev; CBS = 213, DT = 290, NFL.com = 187)

I admit I tend to like guys from small schools, guys who fight for recognition. They have a chip on their shoulder.

However, I prefer guys from small schools when all things are equal (or nearly so). This is why I liked Corey Davis over Mike Williams; if you can be considered to be one of the best wide receivers while playing at Western Michigan, then you're my kind of guy (granted, I was just as stunned that he went 5th overall).

This is not the case with Davis. Available when he was selected:
Isaiah Ford - 138.7 / 17.21
Malachi Dupre - 150.7 / 13.12
KD Cannon - 156.7 / 8.65
Noah Brown - 188.0 / 36.12

All three lists had these four wide receivers ranked before Davis. CBS had Brown only 13 spots ahead of Davis, and NFL.com had Cannon only 29 spots ahead. Other than those two grades, it wasn't close (nearly two full rounds better for any of those guys; DraftTek in particular was cold). Cannon in particular sounds like he could be a poor man's DeSean Jackson, not the worst thing in the world to be.

That's not all, the following were favored on two of the three lists
Travis Rudolph - 161.3 / 45.18 (CBS = 223, 10 spots behind Davis)
Artavis Scott - 199.0 / 44.73 (CBS = 260, 47 spots behind)
Stacy Coley - 204.0 / 5.72 (NFL.com = 197, 10 spots behind)

That's seven other receivers that conceivably could have been better selections. Rudolph in particular sounds like a solid young man, one I would hope gets a shot at the NFL (wasn't drafted).

And this is a pick I actually like.


I'm sorry WOZ, but I really don't like your statistical analysis. I don't think it was relevant on any of the picks. You analyzed rankings between three sites that rank hundreds of players. Please spend more time analyzing the actual PLAYER, and provide meaning feedback on the PLAYER rather than where he was ranked.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Good pick. He has a lot of potential and should contribute on special teams. I'm not sure he'll make the roster over Brian Quick, Ryan Grant or Maurice Harris, but who knows? Stranger things have happened.

I think most likely he's a practice squad player this year as he develops.


Couldn't find any pro day numbers for Harris (he was a non-invite to the Combine), but for comparison's sake:

Code:
PLAYER          HT      WT      ARM     HAND    40YD    BENCH   VERT    BROAD   3CONE   SHUTTLE
Brian Quick     6'4"    220     34.25"  9.75"   4.55s   15reps  34.0"   119.0"  7.10s   4.23s
Ryan Grant      6'0"    199     31.00"  9.63"   4.64s   8 reps  35.5"   119.0"  6.68s   4.11s
Robert Davis    6'3"    219     33.00"  9.63"   4.44s   19reps  41.0"   136.0"  6.82s   4.28s


Size-wise, he's got Grant beat. In raw athletics, he is more impressive than both in every stat except 3-cone (where Grant beats him out slightly), and short shuttle (where Grant beats him again, and is essentially tied with Quick).

Given that I have seen nothing out of Grant or Quick in the NFL as actual receivers, I don't see why he cannot bounce them both from the roster provided he can catch the ball and run routes. More likely, you're right and he ends up not making the final 53, but I wouldn't immediately write him off.
I'm not writing him off, last year before the season I didn't expect Harris to eventually beat out Ross and Grant but he eventually did. I know Davis has talent, he's just making a big jump from Georgia St to the NFL and the other guys have NFL experience so at this point I'd tend to lean towards experience over raw talent.

I do like the Pierre Garçon comparison for whomever made that, but it took Garçon a few years to develop after the colts drafted him, I'd expect the same for Davis.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike23md wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks Quick will not make the roster?

Pryor
Doctson
Crowder
Davis
Grant
Harris?

Hard for me to see Quick out performing some of these younger guys that Jay really likes.
Defintiely very possible, Quick is going to have to be great in training camp and the preseason to make the team over those young WRs that Gruden and Hilliard have been developing for a few years and they like.
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