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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Harris was slow. Gunter may be stiffer in the hips than Harris but can he not improve his technical game and become a starting quality #2 boundary CB in the NFL?
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SE500 wrote:
Al Harris was slow. Gunter may be stiffer in the hips than Harris but can he not improve his technical game and become a starting quality #2 boundary CB in the NFL?

Fake news. Very fake news.

Al Harris entered the NFL with a 4.45 40 time. For comparison, Gunter entered the NFL with a 4.66 40 time.

If our staff thought there was any chance Gunter could become a starting quality #2 boundary corner down the road, they wouldn't have just spent their first pick on a corner while signing two undrafted rookie corners that have his height with considerably more speed, and they definitely wouldn't have signed Davon House during free agency.

Gunter is a #4 corner at best this coming season.


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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HorizontoZenith wrote:
SE500 wrote:
Al Harris was slow. Gunter may be stiffer in the hips than Harris but can he not improve his technical game and become a starting quality #2 boundary CB in the NFL?

Fake news. Very fake news.

Al Harris entered the NFL with a 4.45 40 time. For comparison, Gunter entered the NFL with a 4.66 40 time.

If our staff thought there was any chance Gunter could become a starting quality #2 boundary corner down the road, they wouldn't have just spent their first round pick on a corner while signing two undrafted rookie corners that have his height with considerably more speed, and they definitely wouldn't have signed Davon House during free agency.

Gunter is a #4 corner at best this coming season.

I agree. And he'd make a darned fine #4 corner. Strong unit if he is the #4. So let's hope that happens!
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LacyIsGood wrote:
Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?

The only value I see in him is as an emergency backup or redzone defender, but I've never heard of a redzone specialist at corner before.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HorizontoZenith wrote:
LacyIsGood wrote:
Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?

The only value I see in him is as an emergency backup or redzone defender, but I've never heard of a redzone specialist at corner before.


Or maybe the stop OBJ specialist.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LacyIsGood wrote:
HorizontoZenith wrote:
LacyIsGood wrote:
Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?

The only value I see in him is as an emergency backup or redzone defender, but I've never heard of a redzone specialist at corner before.


Or maybe the stop OBJ specialist.


Don't forget that OBJ dropped a couple passes including a TD if I recall when he was pretty open. Would have made it a very different result.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HorizontoZenith wrote:
SE500 wrote:
Al Harris was slow. Gunter may be stiffer in the hips than Harris but can he not improve his technical game and become a starting quality #2 boundary CB in the NFL?

Fake news. Very fake news.

Al Harris entered the NFL with a 4.45 40 time. For comparison, Gunter entered the NFL with a 4.66 40 time.


^^^
Al Harris wasn't even slow. He just didn't have prototype speed. Gunter is a LB speed corner. For comparison, Jake Ryan ran a 4.65 and Blake Martinez ran a 4.71. 40 time isn't the end-all-be-all, but Gunter absolutely plays like a 4.6+ athlete vs the classic "4.6 second 40 yard dash" Jerry Rice. Watch old clips of Al Harris and clips from last season of Gunter. It is very easy to see which of the two was faster.
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LacyIsGood wrote:
Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?


Thank God the Packers had a healthy Gunter last year. He only lacks top end game speed but he is reliable and he is tough. Don't forget a lot of the CB's problems were a result of no pressure so that is where Gunter got burned at times. Gunter is exactly the type pf backup a team wants - he can play special teams and he can fill in adequately. Don't forget Gunter started off as the 4th CB and for a decent part of the year was their #1 CB due to injuries.
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LacyIsGood wrote:
Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?
Could he play S?
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Gopackgonerd wrote:
LacyIsGood wrote:
Gunter stepped up and played his best last year, but I don't see a role for him on the team this year. He is a pretty bad outside corner who can't play inside. Where is the value?
Could he play S?


Why would you play him at Safety when you have Haha, Burnett, Jones, Brice, and Evans?

I wouldn't say he's a bad corner. He's just not a #1. Put anybody's #4 CB in the game and you'll target the heck out of him. Ask your #4 to cover their #1 and you'll usually end up much worse than we did.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gizmo2012 wrote:
Don't forget a lot of the CB's problems were a result of no pressure so that is where Gunter got burned at times.

More fake news. It was tough to get a pass rush when you had Gunter, hurt Rollins, hurt Randall and Hyde at CB last year. And yet we were 7th best in sacks last year.

Everybody wants to love Gunter. They point to the OBJ game, they point to this and that... I'm frankly sick of the revisionist history going on here. The only times Gunter played well was when he had help AND was in press man coverage. He severely cripples what we can do on defense because he is extremely limited athletically. If we didn't have to give him as much help, Clinton-Dix would have been better, Burnett would have been better and our defense would have been better. But we did have to give him help, and if we didn't, he was a liability and teams knew it.

There's a reason why we targeted tall corners with speed, and it isn't because we're excited about Gunter having a bigger role or much of a role.

Gunter is closer to Jarrett Bush level value than he is Sam Shields/Tramon Williams level value. He's an absolute emergency cornerback with little else to offer defensively.
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^Exactly. If they are going to have a CB on the roster who will struggle and need plenty of safety help, they might as well have upside and be a better athlete.
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LacyIsGood wrote:
^Exactly. If they are going to have a CB on the roster who will struggle and need plenty of safety help, they might as well have upside and be a better athlete.


I'm all for him being a CB4, you can do way worse.

Like he used Bush, he was CB5/6 at times. Great athlete, no clue what he was doing. Kind of the opposite. No ST value hurts but yes, you want a dev guy you can groom but I'm fine with LG too.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did we end up discussing slow corners in the DeAngelo Yancey thread?
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