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incognito_man


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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incognito_man wrote:
saw Cooks combine numbers and couldn't care less how he looked on a college field. Poor athletes aren't going to succeed often in the NFL - wanted nothing to do with him regardless of his off-the-field issues.

Mixon, I wanted as a football player. I don't concern myself much with off-the-field stuff because none of us have any idea. I trust the GB FO's vetting process so if they had drafted him, I would feel fine about his character.


Its not my argument, nor am i trying to justify that Cook is an above average athlete. But he actually did close to what Devonta Freeman did at the combine, and Freeman is a pretty good RB. Cook beat Freeman at the 40 by quite a bit, and was really close in other drills.

Only time will tell if Cook can be a successful RB, obviously MIN felt good enough about his athleticism and talent to trade up for him. GB & PHI were rumored to be considering him, so its not like the Vikings are the only team that liked him. They did their studies on him, and if they felt that he wouldnt amount to much because of his combine numbers i doubt they would have taken him. They could be wrong on him, but i trust this teams front office.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packer fans are funny here. The packers 2nd round pick was down to two players: Kevin King or Dalvin Cook.

Packers obviously felt fine with cooks off the field concerns for him to make their top two for that pick.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

battle2heaven wrote:
Packer fans are funny here. The packers 2nd round pick was down to two players: Kevin King or Dalvin Cook.


Here's the thing. That report came from Rob Demovsky, who was most likely just making stuff up. He does not have sources in the GB front office, because nobody has sources in the GB front office. Nobody in the front office except the GM who doesn't tell anybody who they're taking until they're on the clock.

Were Cook even on the Green Bay board, it would be going against basically every trend they have shown at that position based on a long history of drafts.

So as a tip for "rumors about what Green Bay is doing in the draft/free agency" 100% of them are from agents, and agents lie whenever they feel it benefits their clients. I don't doubt Cook's agent said "he's in consideration for #33" in order to encourage a team that covets him to trade up, but I do sincerely doubt that he was.

Regardless, I am really glad Cook ended up on another team in the division, rather than a better player.
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incognito_man wrote:
TENINCH wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
saw Cooks combine numbers and couldn't care less how he looked on a college field. Poor athletes aren't going to succeed often in the NFL - wanted nothing to do with him regardless of his off-the-field issues.


Gtfo

One day of running drills with no pads definitely out weighs three years of production and becoming the all time leading rusher in FSU history.


of course. there's a minimum threshold for athleticism for most positions. How many successful NFL RBs have his performance numbers? Go find them and report back.


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33673&draftyear=2009&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=108489&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89631&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89659&draftyear=2013&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70862&draftyear=2009&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=105251&draftyear=2013&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113448&draftyear=2013&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83109&draftyear=2011&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=81967&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75317&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57413&draftyear=2008&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=53949&draftyear=2005&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=53956&draftyear=2005&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1882&draftyear=2004&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=426&draftyear=2003&genpos=RB
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1805&draftyear=2002&genpos=RB

I'm sure you'll take issue with guys on this list, so just let me know which drill it is that will predict Cook's failure. Is it his jumps? Is it his agility drills?
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mixon punched a woman after she called him a racial slur. Should he have hit her? Nah. A better man would walk away but we're talking about a teenager at the time. It was caught on tape so NOW people still want to bash him AFTER he missed a season of football? GTFOH! I'm quite sure there are more things that we don't know about but why worry about what I don't know or can't control.
I find it highly unlikely that the girl called him a racial slur. She denies it, and no witnesses ever corroborated that. Seems like a case of "I have no other defense for my actions, so if all else fails, lets pull the race card."
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Cook is a stud no doubt. I listed several reasons why I think he can be more successful than McCaffrey a while back. Minnesota's OL is far from great, but if they can make it serviceable and phase out murray, Dalvin can have a nice career there.
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Carr is 22-25,no playoff games, I'd take Flacco over him.To me it seems like Flacco is just where he belongs. Behind the Brady, Roethlisberger,Rivers,Rodgers,Wilson and ahead of Carr,Tannehill,Cousins,Palmer,Dalton,Luck
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PossibleCabbage wrote:
battle2heaven wrote:
Packer fans are funny here. The packers 2nd round pick was down to two players: Kevin King or Dalvin Cook.


I don't doubt Cook's agent said "he's in consideration for #33" in order to encourage a team that covets him to trade up, but I do sincerely doubt that he was.



But, it was an article after the draft was over. So that doesn't really fit your narrative. But that's okay, we all like to project our own beliefs and feelings.
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battle2heaven wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
battle2heaven wrote:
Packer fans are funny here. The packers 2nd round pick was down to two players: Kevin King or Dalvin Cook.


I don't doubt Cook's agent said "he's in consideration for #33" in order to encourage a team that covets him to trade up, but I do sincerely doubt that he was.



But, it was an article after the draft was over. So that doesn't really fit your narrative. But that's okay, we all like to project our own beliefs and feelings.


Obviously he's implying the agent did that during the draft and it has now reached the ears of Demovsky.
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I find it highly unlikely that the girl called him a racial slur. She denies it, and no witnesses ever corroborated that. Seems like a case of "I have no other defense for my actions, so if all else fails, lets pull the race card."


I 100% believe this to be the case. That being said, he still deserves a second chance and shouldn't be thrown in the human trash bin for a mistake (albeit a huge mistake) committed before he was even old enough to drink.

Words, not matter how offensive, should never be met with violence. Even if the story was true, it would have zero effect on justifying his action.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vikings Fan here:

As a Player: Mixon > Cook
"Character": Mixon > Cook


The offenses of Cook are more likely to be repeated then Mixon IMO
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CriminalMind wrote:
Vikings Fan here:

As a Player: Mixon > Cook
"Character": Mixon > Cook


The offenses of Cook are more likely to be repeated then Mixon IMO


To be fair to Cook. It looks like he's put in effort for the better; as there has not been any transgressions since 2015.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

battle2heaven wrote:
CriminalMind wrote:
Vikings Fan here:

As a Player: Mixon > Cook
"Character": Mixon > Cook


The offenses of Cook are more likely to be repeated then Mixon IMO


To be fair to Cook. It looks like he's put in effort for the better; as there has not been any transgressions since 2015.


That's fine. But theres no football reason why Cook goes ahead of Mixon, the reason it happened is because Mixon's offense was on video, while Cook's multiple offenses had no video.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CriminalMind wrote:
Vikings Fan here:

As a Player: Mixon > Cook
"Character": Mixon > Cook


The offenses of Cook are more likely to be repeated then Mixon IMO


Also I want to add.

Rick Spielman and the Vikings had the choice of Cook or Mixon. Spielman's draft history has been extremely character heavy in the first few rounds. The Vikings are not like the Cowboys, or the Bengals or any other team that are a little more liberal with their character assessment. After the whole loveboat incident, the Onterrio Smith whizzanator fisaco, and even the Peterson deal a couple of years ago, Vikings have passed on players due to character concerns much to the dismay of many Viking fans who wanted the better talent.

And the Vikings took Cook. I don't know if Mixon was off their board. But through the entire pre draft process, there was heavy reporteded involvement from the Vikings decision makers and their interactions with Mixon. They vetted both to an extreme degree. And in the end, they took Cook. Maybe they liked Cook's tape more? Maybe Mixon's punch on tape overrode everything. Who knows, they aren't going to tell you. But I just want to put it out there that this is a team that cares about character and personal conduct. So if they were ok with Cook and felt he's turned the corner in his life and has grown up, then I'm ok with it. Spielman, in regards to character review of his draftees has my current trust.
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