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RaykwonDaChef


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a 3rd round version of Carlos Rogers. But even rogers had more picks in College.

Not mad at it.

We need secondary help, and only so much you can do in the later rounds.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this is another steal. I mean if nothing else he should push Breeland.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moreau looks to be in the correct quadrant: highly rated and scores VERY well in raw athletic ability.

NFL.com grade: 5.76 ("Could become early NFL starter")
3sigma analysis: favorably compares to 98.8% of NFL players at corner (2.3 standard deviations)

Only question is his recovery. Even if he gets a "red shirt" for this season, this seems to be a solid gamble.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RaykwonDaChef wrote:
Looks like a 3rd round version of Carlos Rogers. But even Rodgers had more picks in College.

Not mad at it.

We need secondary help, and only so much you can do in the later rounds.
I like that comp. I still can't believe our training staff/doctors weren't smart enough or didn't do the correct tests on Los' vision to find out that he needed contacts or lasic surgery. It still frustrates me that he left, went to San Fran got 6 picks for them and helped them get to a super bowl.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
RaykwonDaChef wrote:
Looks like a 3rd round version of Carlos Rogers. But even Rodgers had more picks in College.

Not mad at it.

We need secondary help, and only so much you can do in the later rounds.
I like that comp. I still can't believe our training staff/doctors weren't smart enough or didn't do the correct tests on Los' vision to find out that he needed contacts or lasic surgery. It still frustrates me that he left, went to San Fran got 6 picks for them and helped them get to a super bowl.


1. He had six interceptions in only his first year. Over the next three years after that, he had 1, 2, and 0 INTs. Basically, like he had with us. The six picks was an aberration.

2. The 49ers went to the Super Bowl the year after he had his six picks.

3. While he had more total interceptions with the 49ers (thanks to his one banner year), his tackles and passes defensed stats on a per game basis dropped when he left Washington.
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                                          Total Tackles   Solo Tackles     Pass Def    Interceptions  "Passes Denied"
Year    Team                   GP    GS    #     Per G    #     Per G    #     Per G    #     Per G    #     Per G
2014    Oakland Raiders        7     7     35    5.000    26    3.714    1     0.143    0     0.000    1     0.143

2013    San Francisco 49ers    16    16    47    2.938    39    2.438    8     0.500    2     0.125    10    0.625
2012    San Francisco 49ers    16    16    56    3.500    50    3.125    7     0.438    1     0.063    8     0.500
2011    San Francisco 49ers    16    16    43    2.688    40    2.500    18    1.125    6     0.375    24    1.500

2010    Washington Redskins    12    12    54    4.500    43    3.583    12    1.000    2     0.167    14    1.167
2009    Washington Redskins    16    15    39    2.438    36    2.250    12    0.750    0     0.000    12    0.750
2008    Washington Redskins    16    14    56    3.500    49    3.063    24    1.500    2     0.125    26    1.625
2007    Washington Redskins    7     7     25    3.571    20    2.857    7     1.000    1     0.143    8     1.143
2006    Washington Redskins    15    15    79    5.267    67    4.467    16    1.067    1     0.067    17    1.133
2005    Washington Redskins    12    5     46    3.833    42    3.500    2     0.167    2     0.167    4     0.333


On a per game basis, Rogers had his worst season of his career in 2009, coming in dead last in terms of tackles, interceptions, and in the back half of his career in passes defensed.

However, beyond '09, Rogers had his best years here believe it or not. Tackles per game? For total tackles, four of his top five years were in burgundy and gold (Oakland got his 2nd best); for solo tackles, three of his top five years (2nd to Oakland, 5th to 49ers).

But the interesting category is the "passes denied," which is a sum of passes defensed and interceptions. In order of years on a per game played basis:
2008 (WAS)
2011 (SFO)
2010 (WAS)
2007 (WAS)
2006 (WAS)
2009 (WAS)
2013 (SFO)
2012 (SFO)
2005 (WAS) (*)
2014 (OAK)

(*) 2005 was the only year that Rogers didn't start most of the games played (12 games, 5 starts) as he was a rookie. If you rank his denials based on games started, Rogers' 2005 season would jump to 7th ahead of both his 2012 and 2013 seasons.

So, yes, he dropped A LOT of interceptions here. But he also prevented the opposing receivers from catching the balls as well. And he did that best here, prior to his Lasik surgery. We focus on his one great year because he did it immediately after he left, but we ignore that he immediately reverted to "normal" (and actually did worse) after that.



In the end, if we can get a Carlos Rogers skill level player with a third round pick, that would be a great pickup. One of the reasons we as fans feel like Rogers was a bust is because he was the 9th overall pick (and we could have taken Aaron Rodgers instead). Had he been 75th? I think we would be a lot less frustrated with him. Okay, maybe a bit less frustrated (why could he never catch the ball?!?).
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree woz and I still wish we had kept Rogers instead of letting him go. As you side he was solid in coverage and run support, he just wasn't always good at catching possible ints.
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