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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RoyalMajesty51o wrote:
Calhoun up to 270lbs while still having his agility. Hopefully, he plays full-time at the 4-3 LDE and RDE instead of at the 4-3 SLB.


I think they are getting him ready to play both. To be interchangeable with Mack and Irvin if needed.
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RoyalMajesty51o wrote:
Calhoun up to 270lbs while still having his agility. Hopefully, he plays full-time at the 4-3 LDE and RDE instead of at the 4-3 SLB.


I think they are getting him ready to play both. To be interchangeable with Mack and Irvin if needed.


I hope they play to his strengths. I thought he was a solid pick at the time. Loads of production. Time will tell if he took a step back due to the fact he was learning a new position or if he just isn't good enough to make the step up. Like that he's heavier though.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RoyalMajesty51o wrote:
Calhoun up to 270lbs while still having his agility. Hopefully, he plays full-time at the 4-3 LDE and RDE instead of at the 4-3 SLB.

Here is a link: http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Shilique-Calhoun-Talks-Rookie-Year-Looks-Ahead-To-2017-Season/5385d642-71f9-4494-ad06-fc8924f442e6

I really like the fact, that he prepares a lot more dedicated this offseason according to himself. He takes it more seriously, which is big with young players.

I also like the fact that he gained some muscle, since he was overpowered last year. He is an EDGE defender, not a space LB, so he will have to go against the big boys. His game was never pure speed in college and never will be in the NFL, so he needs more strength IMO.

At 270 he could still be an athletic mathc up problem, especially with his nice get off and 3 cone numbers, but he will be able to keep his ground and really punch those OL's, TE's with a heavier hand.
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“Early on it was difficult because everything was moving so fast, you had to retain the knowledge fast, you had to go out there and show you understand it as well,” said Calhoun. “But as the season went on it started to slow down, and I started to become more comfortable.”


Love this quote. It's honest. Fans don't have patience with players. They want instant impact. But the progression to the pro game is steep. Just a reminder to let players develop before writing them off.
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Rolni wrote:
RoyalMajesty51o wrote:
Calhoun up to 270lbs while still having his agility. Hopefully, he plays full-time at the 4-3 LDE and RDE instead of at the 4-3 SLB.

Here is a link: http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Shilique-Calhoun-Talks-Rookie-Year-Looks-Ahead-To-2017-Season/5385d642-71f9-4494-ad06-fc8924f442e6

I really like the fact, that he prepares a lot more dedicated this offseason according to himself. He takes it more seriously, which is big with young players.

I also like the fact that he gained some muscle, since he was overpowered last year. He is an EDGE defender, not a space LB, so he will have to go against the big boys. His game was never pure speed in college and never will be in the NFL, so he needs more strength IMO.

At 270 he could still be an athletic mathc up problem, especially with his nice get off and 3 cone numbers, but he will be able to keep his ground and really punch those OL's, TE's with a heavier hand.


Sounds like an astute, intelligent young man. We'll have to see if the added body mass will make a big difference, it should to his strength at the Point of Attack but usually that is at the expense of some agility. He says he hasn't lost agility but if he's playing on the line then I feel it's a decent trade off of gaining power over a little agility for that position.
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http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Quick-Hits-Reggie-McKenzie-Chats-With-JT-The-Brick-On-957-The-Game/5c3a2114-50a2-4954-89cd-8b7af192667c?sf79944077=1

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McKenzie expressed his confidence in rookie linebacker Marquel Lee and what he expects to see from No. 55.

“We definitely think he has the potential to start, he’s a long ways away from that; we haven’t even begun to get the pads on. So, a lot will be determined between training camp and preseason, but so far he’s looked very well. At the time, we just, as far as a linebacker at that point, he was the best guy on the board, and we jumped all over that.”

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Darbsk wrote:
Rolni wrote:
RoyalMajesty51o wrote:
Calhoun up to 270lbs while still having his agility. Hopefully, he plays full-time at the 4-3 LDE and RDE instead of at the 4-3 SLB.

Here is a link: http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Shilique-Calhoun-Talks-Rookie-Year-Looks-Ahead-To-2017-Season/5385d642-71f9-4494-ad06-fc8924f442e6

I really like the fact, that he prepares a lot more dedicated this offseason according to himself. He takes it more seriously, which is big with young players.

I also like the fact that he gained some muscle, since he was overpowered last year. He is an EDGE defender, not a space LB, so he will have to go against the big boys. His game was never pure speed in college and never will be in the NFL, so he needs more strength IMO.

At 270 he could still be an athletic mathc up problem, especially with his nice get off and 3 cone numbers, but he will be able to keep his ground and really punch those OL's, TE's with a heavier hand.


Sounds like an astute, intelligent young man. We'll have to see if the added body mass will make a big difference, it should to his strength at the Point of Attack but usually that is at the expense of some agility. He says he hasn't lost agility but if he's playing on the line then I feel it's a decent trade off of gaining power over a little agility for that position.

He was among the best in 3 cone (6,97) and 20 yard shuttle (4,25), so even if he looses a bit of agility, he could still be agile enough IMO.

TOP 8 3 cone for the 2016 and 2017 combine
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2016-2017&workout=THREE_CONE_DRILL&position=DL

TOP 6 shuttle
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2016-2017&workout=TWENTY_YARD_SHUTTLE&position=DL
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that I'm in a minorty here, when I say I'm alright with our depth at EDGE rusher behind Mack and Irvin with Calhoun and Cowser.

Mack is a rock solid 265 pound freak of nature, who plays some RDE, more LDE and some rushing OLB.
While Calhoun is definately not on Mack's level athletically, but had a similar 20 yard shuttle and a better 3 cone, same bench press with worse 40 yard and jumps. He looks like a pretty solid back up, rotational piece behind Mack IMO.

While Bruce Irvin is again a freak and had far better numbers then Cowser, still Cowser can come in a solid "refreshment guy" behind him.

Both Calhoun and Cowser were pretty productive college players, both of them seems to be pretty focused and both of them has solid football IQ.

Mack and Irvin will play the majority of the EDGE rusher snaps, but I feel that we can expect solid situational help from the 2 youngsters.

If Calhoun can make a big enough leap we might be able to run a NASCAR package without Aldon Smith.

Calhoun-Mack-Edwards-Irvin could be a solid pass rushing DL if Edwards can get back to form and Calhoun gets better and more aggressive.
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“Early on it was difficult because everything was moving so fast, you had to retain the knowledge fast, you had to go out there and show you understand it as well,” said Calhoun. “But as the season went on it started to slow down, and I started to become more comfortable.”


Love this quote. It's honest. Fans don't have patience with players. They want instant impact. But the progression to the pro game is steep. Just a reminder to let players develop before writing them off.


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