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Some of the coaches have been saying that his ball tracking is as good as they have ever seen, it was in regards to punt returns.

IMO when it comes to tracking a punt and tracking a pass is completely different. Dude is one hell of a returner. Its the one thing I am truly excited about. Browns finally have a legit return man again. A return other teams have to worry about.

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@ mich i think he was moved because they had good safetys and slow linebackers. I am hoping that he can play dime lb, SS, big nickel and some cornerback and some PR.
I know Michigan had Lewis, he was a stud. I dont know about their other safeties being all that good. Only real difference maker they had in the secondary last year was Lewis. Maybe Michigans LBs sucked that bad that they had no choice but to move Peppers.

I really dont like the idea of giving him all those different roles/responsibilities of playing dime lb, SS, big nickel and some cornerback. I would want to stick him mainly at SS and make the game and scheme as simple as possible for him for that given week. Dude is truly a stud athlete. Give him a scheme for the week that allows him to truly show it off. Just eliminate as much thinking as possible. No thinking, just allow him to react. Let him play even faster.
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Some of the coaches have been saying that his ball tracking is as good as they have ever seen, it was in regards to punt returns.

IMO when it comes to tracking a punt and tracking a pass is completely different. Dude is one hell of a returner. Its the one thing I am truly excited about. Browns finally have a legit return man again. A return other teams have to worry about.

Kiwibrown wrote:

@ mich i think he was moved because they had good safetys and slow linebackers. I am hoping that he can play dime lb, SS, big nickel and some cornerback and some PR.
I know Michigan had Lewis, he was a stud. I dont know about their other safeties being all that good. Only real difference maker they had in the secondary last year was Lewis. Maybe Michigans LBs sucked that bad that they had no choice but to move Peppers.

I really dont like the idea of giving him all those different roles/responsibilities of playing dime lb, SS, big nickel and some cornerback. I would want to stick him mainly at SS and make the game and scheme as simple as possible for him for that given week. Dude is truly a stud athlete. Give him a scheme for the week that allows him to truly show it off. Just eliminate as much thinking as possible. No thinking, just allow him to react. Let him play even faster.


The thing I like about him being able to wear so many hats, is it will keep offenses off balance. They will never know where he is, or what he is going to do, until they break huddle and come to the LOS. He never has to leave the field limiting substitutions that need to be made. Its hard to game plan for a dynamic player, when you never know where that dynamic player will be lining up, or what he will be doing.
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Some of the coaches have been saying that his ball tracking is as good as they have ever seen, it was in regards to punt returns.

IMO when it comes to tracking a punt and tracking a pass is completely different. Dude is one hell of a returner. Its the one thing I am truly excited about. Browns finally have a legit return man again. A return other teams have to worry about.

Kiwibrown wrote:

@ mich i think he was moved because they had good safetys and slow linebackers. I am hoping that he can play dime lb, SS, big nickel and some cornerback and some PR.
I know Michigan had Lewis, he was a stud. I dont know about their other safeties being all that good. Only real difference maker they had in the secondary last year was Lewis. Maybe Michigans LBs sucked that bad that they had no choice but to move Peppers.

I really dont like the idea of giving him all those different roles/responsibilities of playing dime lb, SS, big nickel and some cornerback. I would want to stick him mainly at SS and make the game and scheme as simple as possible for him for that given week. Dude is truly a stud athlete. Give him a scheme for the week that allows him to truly show it off. Just eliminate as much thinking as possible. No thinking, just allow him to react. Let him play even faster.


The thing I like about him being able to wear so many hats, is it will keep offenses off balance. They will never know where he is, or what he is going to do, until they break huddle and come to the LOS. He never has to leave the field limiting substitutions that need to be made. Its hard to game plan for a dynamic player, when you never know where that dynamic player will be lining up, or what he will be doing.


Idk, imo if you try to do that you are making things too conplicated. IMO it's better to be simple. Let the athletes play. No need to try and outsmart people. IMO that's how Williams is. Keep it simple and be aggressive. You look at some of the best defenses in the league. They don't try to outsmart everyone. They are just sound with their scheme and technique and the talent stands out and makes plays. Denver didn't do anything crazy, Seattle doesn do anything crazy, Houston doesn't do anything crazy.

I could see doing complicated things to cover up for a lack of talent but to me this is one of the most talented browns defenses in the last 15-20years
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I don't know about that being Williams philosophy. He said all players on d must learn at least 2 positions.
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I don't know about that being Williams philosophy. He said all players on d must learn at least 2 positions.


Facts, that is a good thing so that teams can't key on the personnel groupings.
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I don't know about that being Williams philosophy. He said all players on d must learn at least 2 positions.


Facts, that is a good thing so that teams can't key on the personnel groupings.


It's also very good when injuries inevitably pop up.
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DizzyDean wrote:
I don't know about that being Williams philosophy. He said all players on d must learn at least 2 positions.


Its prolly not crazy 2 positions. Prolly wants corners learnin being field DB and boundary corner, free safety and strong safety. LBs prolly have to learn both LB positions. Interior DL prolly has to know how to play under and over and DEs prolly have to know how to play strong and quick.

Its not like it would be a complicated 2 positions. Just cant see him telling Peppers you need to learn to play FS, SS, Nickel/Dime, and LB.
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I really want to see Peppers play. I'm curious where he lines up because I want to know what positions we still need help at. This is just my opinion:

D-line: Should be set long term. 3-tech is a mystery, but I think either Brantley or Ogunjobi are the answer long term. We are set at DE and NT.

Linebackers: We are set imo. Kirksey and Collins are the 2 main LBs. Either Peppers or Pryor will be the other linebacker.

Secondary: We have a starting CB in Haden. However, he should be on #2 guys. I feel secondary depth is fine too. They should just be able to handle opponents depth guys at WR. Jamar Taylor can defend an opponents #3 WR. We just need a guy who can shut down opponents #1 WR. I'm assuming that will be a draft priority. At safety, either Pryor or Peppers will be strong safety. We do need a free safety.


So long term, we have questions at #1 CB and FS. I'd love to target those positions and skill position for offense next year.
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candyman93 wrote:
I really want to see Peppers play. I'm curious where he lines up because I want to know what positions we still need help at. This is just my opinion:

D-line: Should be set long term. 3-tech is a mystery, but I think either Brantley or Ogunjobi are the answer long term. We are set at DE and NT.

Linebackers: We are set imo. Kirksey and Collins are the 2 main LBs. Either Peppers or Pryor will be the other linebacker.

Secondary: We have a starting CB in Haden. However, he should be on #2 guys. I feel secondary depth is fine too. They should just be able to handle opponents depth guys at WR. Jamar Taylor can defend an opponents #3 WR. We just need a guy who can shut down opponents #1 WR. I'm assuming that will be a draft priority. At safety, either Pryor or Peppers will be strong safety. We do need a free safety.


So long term, we have questions at #1 CB and FS. I'd love to target those positions and skill position for offense next year.


It's crazy if one of the QBs could prove they are a franchise QB, Browns could potentially fill all their holes on the defense and potentially offense wth 1st and 2nd rd talent
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This is not to drag up a dead horse.....but I have a solid question here...
I feel like Peppers has been talked about Horrifically, if we start him at SS..its been said he will be a liability in coverage, because he's a LB...My question is this....because he was asked to play LB his last year at Mich, because they had a deficiency in team construction....how do we feel like Peppers has forgotten how to play DB in a single year....he was a 4 time State Champion winning #1 CB on two different HS teams...he was a 5 star recruit as a CB with offers basically from EVERYBODY......and he was a CB his Freshman year and a Safety his Soph year (moved there again because they needed him there)...so this kid spends 6 of the last 7 years playing DB (CB for 5 of the 6).....he tested out very high in the DB drills at the combine and looked good in workouts at DB.....so after 1 year of playing OLB due to team needs....he's forgotten how to cover and be a DB?????

Interesting...


I was the ones who questioned and hope he proves me wrong. I was all about if he was such a stud DB, why move him? What's better than one lockdown DB, two lockdown DBs. You have two DBs you can put on an island with any WR then your defense should be legit.

I have also been huge on the fact he has horrible ball skills. To me that could of been a reason he was moved. He is pretty bad at finding the ball, tracking the ball, and making a play on the ball. Again, I hope he proves me wrong and shows us that Michigan was actually holding him back.

Wasn't a fan of the pick but I trust the coaches. I just hope they make him a pure Roaming type SS. Don't try and do too much with him.


IMO, watching him his Freshman (b4 he got hurt) and his Soph year I didn't see his deficiencies in coverage.
The question as to "Why move him".....in HS and College, you are going to play your players in the best way the suites not team, not all the time to their particular strengths...and with Channing Stribbling, Delano Hill, Jeremy Clark and Jordoun Lewis...you have a secondary that can cover so why not move your best athlete to an OLB position, when your D is WAY to slow to play the run in the Big 10...you could run a Nickle Defense or you could put Peppers (your best defender) at a position of need, and use the 4 DB's you already have (that are currently on NFL rosters) to cover the pass. So Poor Roster construction led to that. Also there was a Brother who posted a link as to how Peppers got missused this year because of the lack of team speed for Mich and their inability to stop outside runs this year, due to a lack of team speed at the LB position.
(wish I had that link)

Being a running back, WR and Wildcat QB his Soph along with the Big 10 return specialist of the year last year would indicate that he does have some ability tracking and handling the football IMO....
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DaWg_LB. wrote:
buno67 wrote:
DaWg_LB. wrote:
This is not to drag up a dead horse.....but I have a solid question here...
I feel like Peppers has been talked about Horrifically, if we start him at SS..its been said he will be a liability in coverage, because he's a LB...My question is this....because he was asked to play LB his last year at Mich, because they had a deficiency in team construction....how do we feel like Peppers has forgotten how to play DB in a single year....he was a 4 time State Champion winning #1 CB on two different HS teams...he was a 5 star recruit as a CB with offers basically from EVERYBODY......and he was a CB his Freshman year and a Safety his Soph year (moved there again because they needed him there)...so this kid spends 6 of the last 7 years playing DB (CB for 5 of the 6).....he tested out very high in the DB drills at the combine and looked good in workouts at DB.....so after 1 year of playing OLB due to team needs....he's forgotten how to cover and be a DB?????

Interesting...


I was the ones who questioned and hope he proves me wrong. I was all about if he was such a stud DB, why move him? What's better than one lockdown DB, two lockdown DBs. You have two DBs you can put on an island with any WR then your defense should be legit.

I have also been huge on the fact he has horrible ball skills. To me that could of been a reason he was moved. He is pretty bad at finding the ball, tracking the ball, and making a play on the ball. Again, I hope he proves me wrong and shows us that Michigan was actually holding him back.

Wasn't a fan of the pick but I trust the coaches. I just hope they make him a pure Roaming type SS. Don't try and do too much with him.


IMO, watching him his Freshman (b4 he got hurt) and his Soph year I didn't see his deficiencies in coverage.
The question as to "Why move him".....in HS and College, you are going to play your players in the best way the suites not team, not all the time to their particular strengths...and with Channing Stribbling, Delano Hill, Jeremy Clark and Jordoun Lewis...you have a secondary that can cover so why not move your best athlete to an OLB position, when your D is WAY to slow to play the run in the Big 10...you could run a Nickle Defense or you could put Peppers (your best defender) at a position of need, and use the 4 DB's you already have (that are currently on NFL rosters) to cover the pass. So Poor Roster construction led to that. Also there was a Brother who posted a link as to how Peppers got missused this year because of the lack of team speed for Mich and their inability to stop outside runs this year, due to a lack of team speed at the LB position.
(wish I had that link)

Being a running back, WR and Wildcat QB his Soph along with the Big 10 return specialist of the year last year would indicate that he does have some ability tracking and handling the football IMO....


Can't lie, even though I have in the past, I CAN NOT WAIT to see our 1st round picks play this year!! Single handedly has me jacked for this season!
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DaWg_LB. wrote:
buno67 wrote:
DaWg_LB. wrote:
This is not to drag up a dead horse.....but I have a solid question here...
I feel like Peppers has been talked about Horrifically, if we start him at SS..its been said he will be a liability in coverage, because he's a LB...My question is this....because he was asked to play LB his last year at Mich, because they had a deficiency in team construction....how do we feel like Peppers has forgotten how to play DB in a single year....he was a 4 time State Champion winning #1 CB on two different HS teams...he was a 5 star recruit as a CB with offers basically from EVERYBODY......and he was a CB his Freshman year and a Safety his Soph year (moved there again because they needed him there)...so this kid spends 6 of the last 7 years playing DB (CB for 5 of the 6).....he tested out very high in the DB drills at the combine and looked good in workouts at DB.....so after 1 year of playing OLB due to team needs....he's forgotten how to cover and be a DB?????

Interesting...


I was the ones who questioned and hope he proves me wrong. I was all about if he was such a stud DB, why move him? What's better than one lockdown DB, two lockdown DBs. You have two DBs you can put on an island with any WR then your defense should be legit.

I have also been huge on the fact he has horrible ball skills. To me that could of been a reason he was moved. He is pretty bad at finding the ball, tracking the ball, and making a play on the ball. Again, I hope he proves me wrong and shows us that Michigan was actually holding him back.

Wasn't a fan of the pick but I trust the coaches. I just hope they make him a pure Roaming type SS. Don't try and do too much with him.


IMO, watching him his Freshman (b4 he got hurt) and his Soph year I didn't see his deficiencies in coverage.
The question as to "Why move him".....in HS and College, you are going to play your players in the best way the suites not team, not all the time to their particular strengths...and with Channing Stribbling, Delano Hill, Jeremy Clark and Jordoun Lewis...you have a secondary that can cover so why not move your best athlete to an OLB position, when your D is WAY to slow to play the run in the Big 10...you could run a Nickle Defense or you could put Peppers (your best defender) at a position of need, and use the 4 DB's you already have (that are currently on NFL rosters) to cover the pass. So Poor Roster construction led to that. Also there was a Brother who posted a link as to how Peppers got missused this year because of the lack of team speed for Mich and their inability to stop outside runs this year, due to a lack of team speed at the LB position.
(wish I had that link)

Being a running back, WR and Wildcat QB his Soph along with the Big 10 return specialist of the year last year would indicate that he does have some ability tracking and handling the football IMO....


I think you can easily scheme to stop the outside run with alignments and etc that doesnt involve moving your best player and making him an OLB. If you have that big of an issue with outside runs, that starts with your DEs. Michigan has had some studly DEs/DL the past couple of years. They need to change up their responsibilities. Sounds like the DC rather change players around than change up schemes. Like he rather fit players to his scheme than fit a scheme to his players. IMO its better to adapt scheme than to adapt players.

Like an example, Look at tOSU and the Wisky game this past football season. Wisky freaking killed tOSU in the 1st half with outside run plays, mainly the jet sweep. Half time the coaches changed up the scheme and responsibilities of their stud safety and Hooker completely shut down that play in the 2nd half. Wisky couldnt do anything passing wise because tOSU still had a stout secondary. You would think with the other talent Michigan had in its secondary they could of gotten way with things like tOSU did in their secondary.

I think with Peppers as a safety, they could of truly done more things with their LBs to really get after things and stop the run because you know if a mistake is made, he will erase. Like Reggie Nelson was in Florida.

Im just trying to play devils advocate now because I am hoping for the best for Peppers. I am just not going to magically change my view on a player because he is now on the browns.

Like you said he is the best athlete so why not move him. To me if your best athlete is one of your safeties and he plays the position extremely well, your defense is going to be making a lot of plays and be successful. Usually when a defense truly struggles, you can look at the play of the safeties. Heck if you have safeties that can at least come up and fill the ally, you will have at least a top tier defense.

I know in other posts I have called out Michigan's DCs for potentially being a problem with the way they used Peppers. If used properly at safety he prolly could of had an even bigger impact for that defense

I believe I know the video you are talking about and it has been posted a view times since the Browns drafted. It really gives you hope about him. Either the coaching staff really misused him and he was still able to have success or that the coaches through he could only make an impact playing truly in the box and not as a true safety.
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