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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis Friend wrote:
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I'm massively disappointed. We could've had FOSTER! And we pick Davis. It's like having a Mercedes on the board and picking the Honda.

A Honda?

Your analogy would be better if you mentioned that the Mercedez had a fluid issue during the test drive and a suspected repair needed so you decided to get a BMW with no issues that the driver like just as much, if not more.

I sure hope we didn't get any foreign junk. Hopefully we got the Caddy Wink

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Seems like he has injury history. I'm ok with the pick, just hope he can stay healthy.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lions017 wrote:
I think that this was a good one. It reminds me of the Decker pick last year, in that it's a high character guy that has some versatility so that he can play where he fits best and not be forced into a role (Decker could've played RT or LT, Davis can play any of our LB spots).


Yes sir, Give me another!! Solid versatile player!! Feels like a NE pick. Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok with selection, but Foster would have been my choice.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a matter of general draft principles, there are certain positions that I don't believe should ever be drafted in the 1st round. OG, CENTER, FB, 4-3 LB, 3-4 DE, SAFETY, PUNTER, KICKER, LONG SNAPPER.

85% of the time, we only have 2 LBers on the field. I don't believe you need strong LBers as long as the ones you have can make the sure tackle and not whiff, as long as, you are strong up front and in the backfield.

I would have gone DE or CB.

It sucks that McCaffery was off the board. I think he would have done more for our defense than any one defensive player ever could. Oh, well, there are still a few RB's that I really like.
Mixon, but, if we want him, we will have to use our 2nd round pick to get him. He won't be there in the 3rd.

Kareem Hunt, if this kid went to a power conference school, he would have already been drafted.

If all else fails, Perine. But, I would feel like we were just wasting a pick so they could say they addressed the position.

If we ever get a real bellcow RB to help Stafford out, (yes, we are a passing offense. But, we pass so much because we try to run the ball and fail to gain anything significant almost every time we try. Our current crop of RB's SUCK!!! Yes, even Abdullah. ), we would be unstoppable.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that said, I don't hate the pick. I just hope he works out better than our last first round LBer.

The 2 knocks on Davis is that sometimes he whiffs and sometimes he runs himself out of the play.

Sounds a bit too much like ERNIE SIMS.
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Actually like the pick a lot. Wanted D. Got a great rangy LB who is not afraid to hit

He has ability to do it all.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had what was arguably the worst set of LBs in the league. We needed an upgrade in a huge way. There isn't a lot of quality depth to this LB class. Assuming his health issues are behind him, I like the pick.
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detfan782004 wrote:
Actually like the pick a lot. Wanted D. Got a great rangy LB who is not afraid to hit

He has ability to do it all.


Agreed.

I think Foster was maybe more talented, but I don't think the difference is as dramatic as people think. This was the safer pick and I think it fills a huge need.
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BlitzKarma wrote:
All that said, I don't hate the pick. I just hope he works out better than our last first round LBer.

The 2 knocks on Davis is that sometimes he whiffs and sometimes he runs himself out of the play.

Sounds a bit too much like ERNIE SIMS.


The major difference though is that Davis's strength at the POA is a positive as is his instincts and ability to shed blocks. None of which were strong points for Sims.

I'm happy with it. I think Foster is a bit more talented but I could see the reason why Davis would be picked.
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BlitzKarma wrote:
As a matter of general draft principles, there are certain positions that I don't believe should ever be drafted in the 1st round. OG, CENTER, FB, 4-3 LB, 3-4 DE, SAFETY, PUNTER, KICKER, LONG SNAPPER.

85% of the time, we only have 2 LBers on the field. I don't believe you need strong LBers as long as the ones you have can make the sure tackle and not whiff, as long as, you are strong up front and in the backfield.

I would have gone DE or CB.

It sucks that McCaffery was off the board. I think he would have done more for our defense than any one defensive player ever could. Oh, well, there are still a few RB's that I really like.
Mixon, but, if we want him, we will have to use our 2nd round pick to get him. He won't be there in the 3rd.

Kareem Hunt, if this kid went to a power conference school, he would have already been drafted.

If all else fails, Perine. But, I would feel like we were just wasting a pick so they could say they addressed the position.

If we ever get a real bellcow RB to help Stafford out, (yes, we are a passing offense. But, we pass so much because we try to run the ball and fail to gain anything significant almost every time we try. Our current crop of RB's SUCK!!! Yes, even Abdullah. ), we would be unstoppable.


I don't mind general principles so long as you have well thought out exceptions. If your general principle is no 4-3 LBs in the first, I hope you've carved out an exception that takes into account:

1. How bad our LBs were last year and how it's our most pressing need;
2. How there are 3 top end LBs in this year's draft and one of them was gone and the gulf between them and the rest of the LBs is vast;
3. How deep the edge and DB class is and the likelihood of good players being available later at those positions.

We certainly had other issues on defense last year, but the two most palpable issues were:

1. linebackers lack of speed/coverage ability
2. In ability to shut down the run in high leverage situations (in large part due to bad LB play).

I also think the 85% argument is weak. We have a linebacker on the field 100% of defensive snaps. Davis is a three down linebacker who can play any linebacker position. If healthy, he could play everyone of those snaps at any LB position.

This was our team's most pressing need. We didn't over think it. It was a meatball and we knocked it out of the park.
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CutParisLenon wrote:
BlitzKarma wrote:
As a matter of general draft principles, there are certain positions that I don't believe should ever be drafted in the 1st round. OG, CENTER, FB, 4-3 LB, 3-4 DE, SAFETY, PUNTER, KICKER, LONG SNAPPER.

85% of the time, we only have 2 LBers on the field. I don't believe you need strong LBers as long as the ones you have can make the sure tackle and not whiff, as long as, you are strong up front and in the backfield.

I would have gone DE or CB.

It sucks that McCaffery was off the board. I think he would have done more for our defense than any one defensive player ever could. Oh, well, there are still a few RB's that I really like.
Mixon, but, if we want him, we will have to use our 2nd round pick to get him. He won't be there in the 3rd.

Kareem Hunt, if this kid went to a power conference school, he would have already been drafted.

If all else fails, Perine. But, I would feel like we were just wasting a pick so they could say they addressed the position.

If we ever get a real bellcow RB to help Stafford out, (yes, we are a passing offense. But, we pass so much because we try to run the ball and fail to gain anything significant almost every time we try. Our current crop of RB's SUCK!!! Yes, even Abdullah. ), we would be unstoppable.


I don't mind general principles so long as you have well thought out exceptions. If your general principle is no 4-3 LBs in the first, I hope you've carved out an exception that takes into account:

1. How bad our LBs were last year and how it's our most pressing need;
2. How there are 3 top end LBs in this year's draft and one of them was gone and the gulf between them and the rest of the LBs is vast;
3. How deep the edge and DB class is and the likelihood of good players being available later at those positions.

We certainly had other issues on defense last year, but the two most palpable issues were:

1. linebackers lack of speed/coverage ability
2. In ability to shut down the run in high leverage situations (in large part due to bad LB play).

I also think the 85% argument is weak. We have a linebacker on the field 100% of defensive snaps. Davis is a three down linebacker who can play any linebacker position. If healthy, he could play everyone of those snaps at any LB position.

This was our team's most pressing need. We didn't over think it. It was a meatball and we knocked it out of the park.


Your response was covered with my follow up post. LOL. I don't hate this pick because of the LB situation, IN THIS DRAFT, and on OUR TEAM. Caps for emphasis, not yelling.
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BlitzKarma wrote:
CutParisLenon wrote:
BlitzKarma wrote:
As a matter of general draft principles, there are certain positions that I don't believe should ever be drafted in the 1st round. OG, CENTER, FB, 4-3 LB, 3-4 DE, SAFETY, PUNTER, KICKER, LONG SNAPPER.

85% of the time, we only have 2 LBers on the field. I don't believe you need strong LBers as long as the ones you have can make the sure tackle and not whiff, as long as, you are strong up front and in the backfield.

I would have gone DE or CB.

It sucks that McCaffery was off the board. I think he would have done more for our defense than any one defensive player ever could. Oh, well, there are still a few RB's that I really like.
Mixon, but, if we want him, we will have to use our 2nd round pick to get him. He won't be there in the 3rd.

Kareem Hunt, if this kid went to a power conference school, he would have already been drafted.

If all else fails, Perine. But, I would feel like we were just wasting a pick so they could say they addressed the position.

If we ever get a real bellcow RB to help Stafford out, (yes, we are a passing offense. But, we pass so much because we try to run the ball and fail to gain anything significant almost every time we try. Our current crop of RB's SUCK!!! Yes, even Abdullah. ), we would be unstoppable.


I don't mind general principles so long as you have well thought out exceptions. If your general principle is no 4-3 LBs in the first, I hope you've carved out an exception that takes into account:

1. How bad our LBs were last year and how it's our most pressing need;
2. How there are 3 top end LBs in this year's draft and one of them was gone and the gulf between them and the rest of the LBs is vast;
3. How deep the edge and DB class is and the likelihood of good players being available later at those positions.

We certainly had other issues on defense last year, but the two most palpable issues were:

1. linebackers lack of speed/coverage ability
2. In ability to shut down the run in high leverage situations (in large part due to bad LB play).

I also think the 85% argument is weak. We have a linebacker on the field 100% of defensive snaps. Davis is a three down linebacker who can play any linebacker position. If healthy, he could play everyone of those snaps at any LB position.

This was our team's most pressing need. We didn't over think it. It was a meatball and we knocked it out of the park.


Your response was covered with my follow up post. LOL. I don't hate this pick because of the LB situation, IN THIS DRAFT, and on OUR TEAM. Caps for emphasis, not yelling.


I missed that one like an Ernie Sims tackle.
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BlitzKarma wrote:
As a matter of general draft principles, there are certain positions that I don't believe should ever be drafted in the 1st round. OG, CENTER, FB, 4-3 LB, 3-4 DE, SAFETY, PUNTER, KICKER, LONG SNAPPER.

85% of the time, we only have 2 LBers on the field. I don't believe you need strong LBers as long as the ones you have can make the sure tackle and not whiff, as long as, you are strong up front and in the backfield.

I would have gone DE or CB.
Were you not watching when teams marched down the field against us throwing to TE's who consistently beat our LB's in coverage? Would it not be valuable to prevent that from happening?
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IDOG_det wrote:
BlitzKarma wrote:
As a matter of general draft principles, there are certain positions that I don't believe should ever be drafted in the 1st round. OG, CENTER, FB, 4-3 LB, 3-4 DE, SAFETY, PUNTER, KICKER, LONG SNAPPER.

85% of the time, we only have 2 LBers on the field. I don't believe you need strong LBers as long as the ones you have can make the sure tackle and not whiff, as long as, you are strong up front and in the backfield.

I would have gone DE or CB.
Were you not watching when teams marched down the field against us throwing to TE's who consistently beat our LB's in coverage? Would it not be valuable to prevent that from happening?


If our D line was up to snuff, that would be easier to cover.
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