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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:05 am    Post subject: Your Draft Opinion:The Front Office is Competent if......... Reply with quote

What 5 things have to happen for you to walk away feeling good about the front office and coach decision making dynamic?


I knew our front office was trash When the Browns sheeples cheered and cried tears of joy when we took Johnny Manziel over Bridgewater and Derek Carr, after taking Justin Gilbert at 8.....I shook my head and disgust and ask the fellas to turn the TV off at our draft party because me and my friends knew we blew it. My brother had OBJ as THE franchise guy....he left the room for an hour.

Johnny wasn't going to stay on the field due to off field partying and Gilbert had no willingness to tackle, no football instincts, and did not love the competition/game as was evident reading any pre-draft evaluations and reports from the OKst ppl and trusted regional scouts.


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My 5-pt Competence Test: A good draft for me is one in which the decisions made make sense from a football evaluative perspective as well as a character team building perspective.


1. Draft Garrett number 1: We know all the arguments.

2. Don't take players that may make themselves unavailable on the field due to character concerns or recreational drug use. We can't afford to take talented players that can't make it to the field.

3. Dont trade extra picks to trade up from 12 for a QB. If you do trade up, select a Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker.

4. Don't reach for a QB in the first 2 rounds(round 2 guys aren't the guy; won't start; and other immediate starters at positional needs will be available). Select immediate starters at other positions of need while focusing on defense

5. Avoid players that the films says they're bad but hot takes or PFF says they're good. 3 Players: Davis Webb (no poise under pressure, worst On Target Accuracy in the draft, worst accuracy on timing/velocity drive throws not on the boundary outside the numbers---size/height KING), Cordrea Tankersly(PFF noncontextual analytics loves this guy; 10 games say he's trash, tight hipped non instinctive panic when the balls in the air), Eddie Jackson (great leader, stiff hipped, straight line aggressive hitter, 8 games watched how he has no range outside of being a box SS, poor instincts in the pass game), Jadar Johnson (no instincts, horrible angles, just a guy---5 games watched).




Oh....one more thing....[u]Davis Webb
based on any assessment of his play on the field and not his size or A-plus interviews is complete trash[/u]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject: hmmm Reply with quote

1 - We take Myles Garrett

2 - We do not trade up for a QB. (I know in my mock I got us doing this but it is something I could see them doing because Haslam is an idiot).

3 - Do not reach for players. Just sit back comfortably and take what comes to you. Example if their top 5 CBs are all gone and they have a top 5 LB available rated higher than any remaining CB, I want them to draft the better player.

4 - Pick and trade smart. If we know the next player on our boards is going to be available 5 spots down... try and trade down. Get extra picks for next draft.

5 - Try and get players that compliment our schemes. EG don't draft a 3-4 guy and expect him to learn 4-3. Round pegs should fit into round holes only.

that is all

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.Take Garrett #1
2. Take BPA at #12
3. Fortify our secondary in the first few rounds
4. Get a developmental QB prospect (unfortunately all the QBs in this class are) without reaching for him
5. Lean heavily on input from scouts in coaches when selecting personnel, and completely tune out Truck Stop Jimmy on the same
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We draft good players.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draft Garrett #1

Trade up only for recognized top talent at specific positions. For me that's only Hooker or Adams, but I could get on board with

Don't reach on a qb. Don't think you have to draft one because you "need" one. If they draft one, I want it to be because at that pick he was the top man on their board. I understand their is really know way to prove they are actually doing this.

Improve this team on both sides of the ball!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dawgdish wrote:
1.Take Garrett #1
2. Take BPA at #12
3. Fortify our secondary in the first few rounds
4. Get a developmental QB prospect (unfortunately all the QBs in this class are) without reaching for him
5. Lean heavily on input from scouts in coaches when selecting personnel, and completely tune out Truck Stop Jimmy on the same


I guess I didn't think of that one....that is, number 5....keep Truck Stop Jimmy out of decisions....that's huge
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they consolidate their picks to get the best players possible. Not the most players possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
We draft good players.



Thanks, LGB...you always know how to make my long posts look non-quality with your concision....truly a gift from the heavens....

From your answer, I'm going to interpret that as "Davis Webb is Trash"

And since that's obviously what you meant....I have to say; I completely agree with you.

I have to say...I thought you might mention to stay away from prospects with inverted knees..
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
dawgdish wrote:
1.Take Garrett #1
2. Take BPA at #12
3. Fortify our secondary in the first few rounds
4. Get a developmental QB prospect (unfortunately all the QBs in this class are) without reaching for him
5. Lean heavily on input from scouts in coaches when selecting personnel, and completely tune out Truck Stop Jimmy on the same


I guess I didn't think of that one....that is, number 5....keep Truck Stop Jimmy out of decisions....that's huge



Truck stop Jimmy is mine.

Just like "the nerds" and "trashmon"

And probably several other things.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol
sdrawkcab321 wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
dawgdish wrote:
1.Take Garrett #1
2. Take BPA at #12
3. Fortify our secondary in the first few rounds
4. Get a developmental QB prospect (unfortunately all the QBs in this class are) without reaching for him
5. Lean heavily on input from scouts in coaches when selecting personnel, and completely tune out Truck Stop Jimmy on the same


I guess I didn't think of that one....that is, number 5....keep Truck Stop Jimmy out of decisions....that's huge



Truck stop Jimmy is mine.


Just like "the nerds" and "trashmon"

And probably several other things.


Lol...my bad...what about "Trader Ray"
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
We draft good players.



Thanks, LGB...you always know how to make my long posts look non-quality with your concision....truly a gift from the heavens....

From your answer, I'm going to interpret that as "Davis Webb is Trash"

And since that's obviously what you meant....I have to say; I completely agree with you.

I have to say...I thought you might mention to stay away from prospects with inverted knees..


Lol what do you want me to say?

I want them to be right and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are incompetent (don't really have any recourse either way...).

And yeah, watch out for inverted knees, players whose upper body doesn't dance with his lower body and guys who've seen murders and are already old men.
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LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
We draft good players.



Thanks, LGB...you always know how to make my long posts look non-quality with your concision....truly a gift from the heavens....

From your answer, I'm going to interpret that as "Davis Webb is Trash"

And since that's obviously what you meant....I have to say; I completely agree with you.

I have to say...I thought you might mention to stay away from prospects with inverted knees..


Lol what do you want me to say?

I want them to be right and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are incompetent (don't really have any recourse either way...).

And yeah, watch out for inverted knees, players whose upper body doesn't dance with his lower body and guys who've seen murders and are already old men.


I rate this post as a 7.24
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poorbytehshore wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
We draft good players.



Thanks, LGB...you always know how to make my long posts look non-quality with your concision....truly a gift from the heavens....

From your answer, I'm going to interpret that as "Davis Webb is Trash"

And since that's obviously what you meant....I have to say; I completely agree with you.

I have to say...I thought you might mention to stay away from prospects with inverted knees..


Lol what do you want me to say?

I want them to be right and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are incompetent (don't really have any recourse either way...).

And yeah, watch out for inverted knees, players whose upper body doesn't dance with his lower body and guys who've seen murders and are already old men.


I rate this post as a 7.24


Lol...Garrett's body works in unison with other parts of his body. So....definitely the number 1 overall pick.

Wait.....don't tell me he actually said something like "watch out for guys who've seen murders and are already old men." I don't believe it.

I don't believe it. If so, he may truly be the G.O.A.T. of message board draftniks...

I'm going to search for that [inappropriate/removed]...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind Character wrote:
poorbytehshore wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
We draft good players.



Thanks, LGB...you always know how to make my long posts look non-quality with your concision....truly a gift from the heavens....

From your answer, I'm going to interpret that as "Davis Webb is Trash"

And since that's obviously what you meant....I have to say; I completely agree with you.

I have to say...I thought you might mention to stay away from prospects with inverted knees..


Lol what do you want me to say?

I want them to be right and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are incompetent (don't really have any recourse either way...).

And yeah, watch out for inverted knees, players whose upper body doesn't dance with his lower body and guys who've seen murders and are already old men.


I rate this post as a 7.24


Lol...Garrett's body works in unison with other parts of his body. So....definitely the number 1 overall pick.

Wait.....don't tell me he actually said something like "watch out for guys who've seen murders and are already old men." I don't believe it.

I don't believe it. If so, he may truly be the G.O.A.T. of message board draftniks...

I'm going to search for that [inappropriate/removed]...


Referencing Fournette, I sht you not.
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poorbytehshore wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Mind Character wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
We draft good players.



Thanks, LGB...you always know how to make my long posts look non-quality with your concision....truly a gift from the heavens....

From your answer, I'm going to interpret that as "Davis Webb is Trash"

And since that's obviously what you meant....I have to say; I completely agree with you.

I have to say...I thought you might mention to stay away from prospects with inverted knees..


Lol what do you want me to say?

I want them to be right and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are incompetent (don't really have any recourse either way...).

And yeah, watch out for inverted knees, players whose upper body doesn't dance with his lower body and guys who've seen murders and are already old men.


I rate this post as a 7.24


That's a 3rd round grade broseph.
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