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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is a 4th-5th round NT a better solution than a 4th-5th round UT? Yeah, I like Stevie, but he's as much a work in progress as a UT would be in the same range.
ah. I think stevie is a probowl player. Not a work in progress. A top 5 nt by expiration of rookie contract. A monster ready day 1. He dominates every game, he dominated the senior bowl practices, he was the rose bowl mvp. He just plays nose (unvalued) and is old. ( going to be 26 in 2017)
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A premium talent available to help now. You'll see.
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Edit: the run on ut's happens first.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing for me to see. I'm a USC fan and watch every game.
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Wormley would be my pick to play at the 3t. great explosion numbers for a DT, above average height and arm length. Numbers-wise, he compares pretty favorably to Leonard Williams. I'd rather take that risk than move Linval.
why do you have him falling? Especially with the brantley questions?
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If the vikes get a 3 with the first pick, fine! Love it. I just doubt the vikings do that. Then, my scenario may be worth a look-see.


I just don't see the need from other teams in front of the Vikings. With the number of talented DBs, WRs, and RBs in this class, I feel that a talented 3t, whether it's Wormley or McDowell, will be there.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's nothing for me to see. I'm a USC fan and watch every game.
then maybe you should compare him to a rd 4 or 5 ut. Watch smart from tulane against weak compwtition get turned, blown out, and look pretty quick unblocked or on comboblocks. Ut's that would help go high. Not rd 4 or 5. Rd 1, maybe rd 2. A nose can be had later, if the vikes take a guard at 48.
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JDBrocks wrote:
Purple Faithful wrote:
JDBrocks wrote:
Wormley would be my pick to play at the 3t. great explosion numbers for a DT, above average height and arm length. Numbers-wise, he compares pretty favorably to Leonard Williams. I'd rather take that risk than move Linval.
why do you have him falling? Especially with the brantley questions?
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If the vikes get a 3 with the first pick, fine! Love it. I just doubt the vikings do that. Then, my scenario may be worth a look-see.


I just don't see the need from other teams in front of the Vikings. With the number of talented DBs, WRs, and RBs in this class, I feel that a talented 3t, whether it's Wormley or McDowell, will be there.
well, i am good with either player. I just imagine that will not be the pick. List 5 or 10 guys you would want at 48. Other teams are able to say "maybe we can get an rb, wr, or cb rd 3 with how deep the draft is"
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There are few premium ut and ol this draft. We may not get a player at either who can help.
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Purple Faithful wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
Why is a 4th-5th round NT a better solution than a 4th-5th round UT? Yeah, I like Stevie, but he's as much a work in progress as a UT would be in the same range.
ah. I think stevie is a probowl player. Not a work in progress. A top 5 nt by expiration of rookie contract. A monster ready day 1. He dominates every game, he dominated the senior bowl practices, he was the rose bowl mvp. He just plays nose (unvalued) and is old. ( going to be 26 in 2017)
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A premium talent available to help now. You'll see.
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Edit: the run on ut's happens first.


If Stevie weren't a work in progress, he wouldn't be taken in the 4th or 5th round...especially at the DT position. If he were a monster day 1, he'd be taken in the 1st round.

He is clearly a work in progress.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's nothing for me to see. I'm a USC fan and watch every game.
then maybe you should compare him to a rd 4 or 5 ut. Watch smart from tulane against weak compwtition get turned, blown out, and look pretty quick unblocked or on comboblocks. Ut's that would help go high. Not rd 4 or 5. Rd 1, maybe rd 2. A nose can be had later, if the vikes take a guard at 48.

You pick guys with traits that you can work with, guys who may be undersized or have some character/injury flags. Andre Patterson has shown throughout his career he can develop guys along the line.

Davon Godchaux has a good first step, but short arms - the middle rounds are littered with guys like that. Just have to pick the warts you can work around or coach. Draft what you can't teach.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
Purple Faithful wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
There's nothing for me to see. I'm a USC fan and watch every game.
then maybe you should compare him to a rd 4 or 5 ut. Watch smart from tulane against weak compwtition get turned, blown out, and look pretty quick unblocked or on comboblocks. Ut's that would help go high. Not rd 4 or 5. Rd 1, maybe rd 2. A nose can be had later, if the vikes take a guard at 48.

You pick guys with traits that you can work with, guys who may be undersized or have some character/injury flags. Andre Patterson has shown throughout his career he can develop guys along the line.

Davon Godchaux has a good first step, but short arms - the middle rounds are littered with guys like that. Just have to pick the warts you can work around or coach. Draft what you can't teach.
i think patterson has had premium talent to work with. Floyd was not a mid-rd pick. Jared Allen was traded for, Kevin Williams was not a mid round pick. Vikings have had a ton of talent on the defensive line. Hunter was a rd 1 talent that came out a year early. Griffin had a character issue or he goes rd 1, imo. Pat williams was a free agent from buffalo. Joseph a great player from ny-won a sb. We have not developed a dt under patterson. The next one will be the first one Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patterson hasn't just been a coach here.
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disaacs wrote:
Purple Faithful wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
Why is a 4th-5th round NT a better solution than a 4th-5th round UT? Yeah, I like Stevie, but he's as much a work in progress as a UT would be in the same range.
ah. I think stevie is a probowl player. Not a work in progress. A top 5 nt by expiration of rookie contract. A monster ready day 1. He dominates every game, he dominated the senior bowl practices, he was the rose bowl mvp. He just plays nose (unvalued) and is old. ( going to be 26 in 2017)
.
A premium talent available to help now. You'll see.
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Edit: the run on ut's happens first.


If Stevie weren't a work in progress, he wouldn't be taken in the 4th or 5th round...especially at the DT position. If he were a monster day 1, he'd be taken in the 1st round.

He is clearly a work in progress.

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I think stevie falls from rd 2-3 (lack of height) to rd 4 because he is 26. Maybe you will get to tell me "told you so" this time? 😁
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Patterson hasn't just been a coach here.
i know. He has been fired from here and elsewhere.
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Purple Faithful wrote:
disaacs wrote:
Purple Faithful wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
Why is a 4th-5th round NT a better solution than a 4th-5th round UT? Yeah, I like Stevie, but he's as much a work in progress as a UT would be in the same range.
ah. I think stevie is a probowl player. Not a work in progress. A top 5 nt by expiration of rookie contract. A monster ready day 1. He dominates every game, he dominated the senior bowl practices, he was the rose bowl mvp. He just plays nose (unvalued) and is old. ( going to be 26 in 2017)
.
A premium talent available to help now. You'll see.
.
Edit: the run on ut's happens first.


If Stevie weren't a work in progress, he wouldn't be taken in the 4th or 5th round...especially at the DT position. If he were a monster day 1, he'd be taken in the 1st round.

He is clearly a work in progress.

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I think stevie falls from rd 2-3 (lack of height) to rd 4 because he is 26. Maybe you will get to tell me "told you so" this time? 😁


I'd be shocked if he isn't still on the board in round 5. Better chance of him in round 6 than in round 4.
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I'd be shocked if he isn't still on the board in round 5. Better chance of him in round 6 than in round 4.
hope so. My idea is a late round flyer. Be a fit in a 3-4, maybe k.c. awesome you are a gopher wrestler. I'll be calling you sir and trying never to disagree
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I'd be shocked if he isn't still on the board in round 5. Better chance of him in round 6 than in round 4.
hope so. My idea is a late round flyer. Be a fit in a 3-4, maybe k.c. awesome you are a gopher wrestler. I'll be calling you sir and trying never to disagree


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I'd be shocked if he isn't still on the board in round 5. Better chance of him in round 6 than in round 4.
hope so. My idea is a late round flyer. Be a fit in a 3-4, maybe k.c. awesome you are a gopher wrestler. I'll be calling you sir and trying never to disagree


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