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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Man I envy TEN right now. I wanted Mariota, they grab him. They have a great rushing attack which I love and they have a ton of picks. If they trade down again with CLE and get even more they can rebuild that defense quickly and be on a path trending upward.


I agree with you here. But from what I have heard, the two likely landing spots for a CLE trade is TEN or NYJ. Why on earth would they trade with TEN for #5 when you could pay less for #6? I get that oh maybe someone else will jump to TEN's #5, but I just dont see it happening. Am I missing something else?
Because the Titans might agree to the same offer as the Jets and then they don't even have to think about the Jets taking Trubisky (although it's highly doubtful at this point).

If Chicago takes a QB then I think we can't get a trade down with Cleveland and then 5 becomes the hot spot since Tennessee has the incentive to move back.
We might be able to if Chicago goes Watson, but who knows at this point.
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Sounds like Titans are at it again. Already have received offers for fifth overall pick and are contemplating trade, per league source.

Per Schefter

We just can't catch a break. All we want to do is trade back and CLE makes so much sense yet they will probably go one pick higher to TEN for the same offer and we get stuck having to draft at 6 still.


You took the words right out of my mouth, I agree even I was high on that Cleveland trade. It sure doesn't look to promising now. I think you are right we will get stuck with the #6th pick. And then we don't pick again to #39 again.

There are 2 ways to look at this though. 1 being there could be a chance 2 QBs go in the top 5 so Macc's smokescreen worked or 2 we wanted to trade down the whole time and we are now screwed. I think we were more open to trading down because we assumed players we covet wouldn't be there, with all the QB hype though we may be fine staying at 6.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like Titans are at it again. Already have received offers for fifth overall pick and are contemplating trade, per league source.

Per Schefter

We just can't catch a break. All we want to do is trade back and CLE makes so much sense yet they will probably go one pick higher to TEN for the same offer and we get stuck having to draft at 6 still.


You took the words right out of my mouth, I agree even I was high on that Cleveland trade. It sure doesn't look to promising now. I think you are right we will get stuck with the #6th pick. And then we don't pick again to #39 again.

There are 2 ways to look at this though. 1 being there could be a chance 2 QBs go in the top 5 so Macc's smokescreen worked or 2 we wanted to trade down the whole time and we are now screwed. I think we were more open to trading down because we assumed players we covet wouldn't be there, with all the QB hype though we may be fine staying at 6.


You are right Mac smoke screen is working, I read the Nashville paper and read their blogs and they feel the Jets will trade up to get the Titans picks for a QB. And exchange they get our 6th pick plus our 39 & 107 pick. Lets just hope they are that stupid on draft night.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

barnaby8787 wrote:
KingOfTheDot wrote:
barnaby8787 wrote:
PaulieIceman wrote:
Rockice_8 wrote:
Man I envy TEN right now. I wanted Mariota, they grab him. They have a great rushing attack which I love and they have a ton of picks. If they trade down again with CLE and get even more they can rebuild that defense quickly and be on a path trending upward.


I agree with you here. But from what I have heard, the two likely landing spots for a CLE trade is TEN or NYJ. Why on earth would they trade with TEN for #5 when you could pay less for #6? I get that oh maybe someone else will jump to TEN's #5, but I just dont see it happening. Am I missing something else?
Because the Titans might agree to the same offer as the Jets and then they don't even have to think about the Jets taking Trubisky (although it's highly doubtful at this point).

If Chicago takes a QB then I think we can't get a trade down with Cleveland and then 5 becomes the hot spot since Tennessee has the incentive to move back.
We might be able to if Chicago goes Watson, but who knows at this point.


I dont know if TEN would agree to the same trade. They would probably use the theory that the NYJ want trubisky so they would make them pay. I think they wait them out and pay less to NYJ to jump ahead of SD who has been rumored to want the heir to Rivers. And if not SD, I think CLE still needs to get ahead of BUF for him.
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rdelaney89 wrote:
doumeyer wrote:
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Sounds like Titans are at it again. Already have received offers for fifth overall pick and are contemplating trade, per league source.

Per Schefter

We just can't catch a break. All we want to do is trade back and CLE makes so much sense yet they will probably go one pick higher to TEN for the same offer and we get stuck having to draft at 6 still.


You took the words right out of my mouth, I agree even I was high on that Cleveland trade. It sure doesn't look to promising now. I think you are right we will get stuck with the #6th pick. And then we don't pick again to #39 again.

There are 2 ways to look at this though. 1 being there could be a chance 2 QBs go in the top 5 so Macc's smokescreen worked or 2 we wanted to trade down the whole time and we are now screwed. I think we were more open to trading down because we assumed players we covet wouldn't be there, with all the QB hype though we may be fine staying at 6.


You are right Mac smoke screen is working, I read the Nashville paper and read their blogs and they feel the Jets will trade up to get the Titans picks for a QB. And exchange they get our 6th pick plus our 39 & 107 pick. Lets just hope they are that stupid on draft night.

I give us a 0% chance we trade up
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's how I see it playing out in regards to moving up

1. CLE- Myles Garrett
2. SF- Thomas/Adams
3. CHI- Deshaun Watson

Cleveland/Buffalo fields calls to Jacksonville/Tennessee

4. JAC- Leonard Fournette
5. Quarterback or TEN- Marshon Lattimore
6. NYJ- if Adams is here it's him, if no then it's Thomas and if not then trade back with Cleveland/Buffalo/Arizona

Or

1. Garrett
2. Thomas
3. Adams
4. Fournette
5. Lattimore
6. Trade back to 12 for 2nd/4th round picks

So either way this plays out I think we are in a good spot to move back. Either a team moves up to get one of the top QBs or Cleveland makes the jump once no one goes and we get their 1.12/2.1/4.1
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So our best case scenario to moving back is no QB going too 4. But our best case scenario to getting Adams or Thomas is a QB going top 3.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingOfTheDot wrote:
Here's how I see it playing out in regards to moving up

1. CLE- Myles Garrett
2. SF- Thomas/Adams
3. CHI- Deshaun Watson

Cleveland/Buffalo fields calls to Jacksonville/Tennessee

4. JAC- Leonard Fournette
5. Quarterback or TEN- Marshon Lattimore
6. NYJ- if Adams is here it's him, if no then it's Thomas and if not then trade back with Cleveland/Buffalo/Arizona

Or

1. Garrett
2. Thomas
3. Adams
4. Fournette
5. Lattimore
6. Trade back to 12 for 2nd/4th round picks

So either way this plays out I think we are in a good spot to move back. Either a team moves up to get one of the top QBs or Cleveland makes the jump once no one goes and we get their 1.12/2.1/4.1


Thomas is not a good pick for us, but I doubt he'll be available anyway. We really need to go either Adams or Hooker. It's almost guaranteed that one of them will be available, fill a need and drastically improve the secondary
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So our best case scenario to moving back is no QB going too 4. But our best case scenario to getting Adams or Thomas is a QB going top 3.

I find is so odd you don't have Hooker or Howard in the mix. Like our only options are Adams or Thomas. Thomas would be a pretty bad pick for us.
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doumeyer wrote:
rdelaney89 wrote:
doumeyer wrote:
Rockice_8 wrote:
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Sounds like Titans are at it again. Already have received offers for fifth overall pick and are contemplating trade, per league source.

Per Schefter

We just can't catch a break. All we want to do is trade back and CLE makes so much sense yet they will probably go one pick higher to TEN for the same offer and we get stuck having to draft at 6 still.


You took the words right out of my mouth, I agree even I was high on that Cleveland trade. It sure doesn't look to promising now. I think you are right we will get stuck with the #6th pick. And then we don't pick again to #39 again.


There are 2 ways to look at this though. 1 being there could be a chance 2 QBs go in the top 5 so Macc's smokescreen worked or 2 we wanted to trade down the whole time and we are now screwed. I think we were more open to trading down because we assumed players we covet wouldn't be there, with all the QB hype though we may be fine staying at 6.


You are right Mac smoke screen is working, I read the Nashville paper and read their blogs and they feel the Jets will trade up to get the Titans picks for a QB. And exchange they get our 6th pick plus our 39 & 107 pick. Lets just hope they are that stupid on draft night.


LOL Nashville paper really trying to drive up that price for themselves. That is a joke at least they should have tried to make it close to logical not some pie in the sky return.
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Our best chance to trade up is we really don't want Turbisky and TEN is asking for a ton like 33 plus their 4th.

I have said I would settle for 52 and their 4th so I'm not sure if Mac will but I would just to trade down. CLE would probably rather keep 33 so for them trading with us would make more sense then.

We could still be in play for Howard, Reddick, etc. and have two more valuable picks. TEN might not see the vaule in 52 and that would force CLE if they really want him to deal with us.

It's not out of the question for us to move down but we aren't getting a king ransom for it. We may have to settle and who knows it might not be worth it for us either.
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rdelaney89 wrote:
doumeyer wrote:
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Sounds like Titans are at it again. Already have received offers for fifth overall pick and are contemplating trade, per league source.

Per Schefter

We just can't catch a break. All we want to do is trade back and CLE makes so much sense yet they will probably go one pick higher to TEN for the same offer and we get stuck having to draft at 6 still.


You took the words right out of my mouth, I agree even I was high on that Cleveland trade. It sure doesn't look to promising now. I think you are right we will get stuck with the #6th pick. And then we don't pick again to #39 again.


There are 2 ways to look at this though. 1 being there could be a chance 2 QBs go in the top 5 so Macc's smokescreen worked or 2 we wanted to trade down the whole time and we are now screwed. I think we were more open to trading down because we assumed players we covet wouldn't be there, with all the QB hype though we may be fine staying at 6.


You are right Mac smoke screen is working, I read the Nashville paper and read their blogs and they feel the Jets will trade up to get the Titans picks for a QB. And exchange they get our 6th pick plus our 39 & 107 pick. Lets just hope they are that stupid on draft night.


LOL Nashville paper really trying to drive up that price for themselves. That is a joke at least they should have tried to make it close to logical not some pie in the sky return.


Do you think some of these teams are starting to Panic? This could be a good thing for us. It is real funny how these teams will wait till the very last moment to make some kind of move. Last year there was trades made before the draft. I guess if you went for the #1 pick nobody can jump you. The draft really has become a chess match. Looks like we won't know anything for another 27 1/2 hours.
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Bobby816 wrote:
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So our best case scenario to moving back is no QB going too 4. But our best case scenario to getting Adams or Thomas is a QB going top 3.

I find is so odd you don't have Hooker or Howard in the mix. Like our only options are Adams or Thomas. Thomas would be a pretty bad pick for us.


Simple

Hooker's medical issues might be pause for concern
Howard is a Tight End and I can't see him going TE in the top 6
Thomas wouldn't be a back pick. He'd be an edge in our sub packages which we are in most of the time anyway. He's not a pure interior guy like our trio of D-Linemen
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Our best chance to trade up is we really don't want Turbisky and TEN is asking for a ton like 33 plus their 4th.

I have said I would settle for 52 and their 4th so I'm not sure if Mac will but I would just to trade down. CLE would probably rather keep 33 so for them trading with us would make more sense then.

We could still be in play for Howard, Reddick, etc. and have two more valuable picks. TEN might not see the vaule in 52 and that would force CLE if they really want him to deal with us.

It's not out of the question for us to move down but we aren't getting a king ransom for it. We may have to settle and who knows it might not be worth it for us either.


You have to get 2.1 plus 4.1 in a trade up scenario. Cleveland moving up for a QB means they have to pay your price. 52 and 4.1 isn't enough imo
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