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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thelonebillsfan wrote:
everlong wrote:
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Safe to say he was actually worth the #1 pick unlike many




Long was a good player before injuries ruined him, but taking him first overall was a mistake then and still is.


Throwing an unprepared rookie QB behind a garbage offensive line with no weapons would have ruined him.


Because Atlanta at the time was such an awesome team that was loaded with All-Pros and Pro Bowlers.
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I didnt forget Ryan but Jake can still be worth the pick
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
I didnt forget Ryan but Jake can still be worth the pick


How?

One in a MVP, in his prime and still playing. The other had a few good years, got health issues and just retired.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DutchFalcon wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
I didnt forget Ryan but Jake can still be worth the pick


How?

One in a MVP, in his prime and still playing. The other had a few good years, got health issues and just retired.


I mean if Jake stayed healthy he would've been absolutely worth the pick. For all we know if Ryan was drafted as a Dolphin he wouldn't even be playing still, our offensive line was atrocious back then.

Obviously Matt Ryan has turned out to be a better player in hindsight - no one can deny this.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheKillerNacho wrote:
DutchFalcon wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
I didnt forget Ryan but Jake can still be worth the pick


How?

One in a MVP, in his prime and still playing. The other had a few good years, got health issues and just retired.


I mean if Jake stayed healthy he would've been absolutely worth the pick. For all we know if Ryan was drafted as a Dolphin he wouldn't even be playing still, our offensive line was atrocious back then.

Obviously Matt Ryan has turned out to be a better player in hindsight - no one can deny this.


If JaMarcus Russell had a work ethic he'd be worth the first overall pick. The draft is a crapshoot; draft who you think will turn around your team the quickest. Unless Long was light years ahead of Ryan as a prospect, taking a low impact position like a OT over a QB is pretty foolish and the end result shows it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

everlong wrote:
TheKillerNacho wrote:
DutchFalcon wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
I didnt forget Ryan but Jake can still be worth the pick


How?

One in a MVP, in his prime and still playing. The other had a few good years, got health issues and just retired.


I mean if Jake stayed healthy he would've been absolutely worth the pick. For all we know if Ryan was drafted as a Dolphin he wouldn't even be playing still, our offensive line was atrocious back then.

Obviously Matt Ryan has turned out to be a better player in hindsight - no one can deny this.


If JaMarcus Russell had a work ethic he'd be worth the first overall pick. The draft is a crapshoot; draft who you think will turn around your team the quickest. Unless Long was light years ahead of Ryan as a prospect, taking a low impact position like a OT over a QB is pretty foolish and the end result shows it.


In what universe is OT a low impact position? Laughing

The Dolphins OL was ridiculously bad back then. Atlanta still had a solid OL (as evidenced by them being able to run the ball very effectively for Ryan's first few years) back then, the Dolphins didn't.
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Thelonebillsfan wrote:
everlong wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Safe to say he was actually worth the #1 pick unlike many




Long was a good player before injuries ruined him, but taking him first overall was a mistake then and still is.


Throwing an unprepared rookie QB behind a garbage offensive line with no weapons would have ruined him.

Atlanta's offensive line heading into the 2008 season was pretty terrible.
Todd Weiner at LT who had never played there before
Justin Blalock at LG coming off a bad rookie year
Todd McClure at C who was the only good player
Harvey Dahl at RG who was nothing but a journeyman before
Tyson Clabo at RT who was barely starting at RG the year before
Huge question marks heading into that draft on OL. Now for weapons, Atlanta had just Roddy White coming off a breakout year and a middling Michael Jenkins. IT wasn't like Atlanta had some great group. But they've obviously built around Ryan. If you need a QB, you take him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Thelonebillsfan wrote:
everlong wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Safe to say he was actually worth the #1 pick unlike many




Long was a good player before injuries ruined him, but taking him first overall was a mistake then and still is.


Throwing an unprepared rookie QB behind a garbage offensive line with no weapons would have ruined him.

Atlanta's offensive line heading into the 2008 season was pretty terrible.
Todd Weiner at LT who had never played there before
Justin Blalock at LG coming off a bad rookie year
Todd McClure at C who was the only good player
Harvey Dahl at RG who was nothing but a journeyman before
Tyson Clabo at RT who was barely starting at RG the year before
Huge question marks heading into that draft on OL. Now for weapons, Atlanta had just Roddy White coming off a breakout year and a middling Michael Jenkins. IT wasn't like Atlanta had some great group. But they've obviously built around Ryan. If you need a QB, you take him.


It helped that his RB went off for 1700 yards and 17 TDs.
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