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What OL prospect in the 2017 NFL Draft appears to be the best fit for the Packers?
Forrest Lamp
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 11%  [ 1 ]
Dion Dawkins
44%
 44%  [ 4 ]
Dan Feeney
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Nico Siragusa
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Kofi Amichia
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Levon Myers
0%
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Corey Levin
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Other (Post A Comment)
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Cadmus


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Cadmus Mock v2.5A (OL Edition) **Poll Added** Reply with quote

There hasn't been much activity on here the last few days so I put together a *special edition* All OL Mock Draft to get the forum talking.

Notes: Bolles, 6'6"+ OTs, and Center-Only prospects were excluded from mock, but were included below.

2017 NFL Draft


Round 1 Pick 29- Forrest Lamp Western Kentucky- Height: 6036 Weight: 309 10 Yard- 1.75 3-Cone: 7.55 Shuttle: 4.62



Game: https://youtu.be/Y1vBFZRXa0k
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000788745/Forrest-Lamp-2017-Combine-Workout


Round 2 Pick 61- Dion Dawkins Temple- Height: 6037 Weight: 314 10 Yard- 1.80 3-Cone: 7.30 Shuttle: 4.78



Game: https://youtu.be/EDVU7XeJSSU
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000797253/Dion-Dawkins-2017-Combine-Workout


Round 3 Pick 93- Dan Feeney Indiana- Height: 6040 Weight: 305 10 Yard- 1.82 3-Cone: 7.52 Shuttle: 4.68



Game: https://youtu.be/zc9_djnf7j8t
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000797250/Dan-Feeney-2017-Combine-Workout


Round 4 Pick 134- Nico Siragusa OL San Diego State- Height: 6043 Weight: 319 10 Yard- 1.83 3-Cone: 7.71 Shuttle: 4.56



Game: https://youtu.be/Ax-EbzfygiY
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000797609/Nico-Siragusa-2017-Combine-Workout


Round 5 Pick 172- Jermaine Eluemunor Texas A&M- Height: 6035 Weight: 332 10 Yard- 1.84 3-Cone: 7.74 Shuttle: 4.90



Eluemunor gets a pass on the shuttle because I don't expect him to play at 332 in the NFL.

Game: (RG-#72) https://youtu.be/r-JZ7NFZUK8
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000797251/Jermaine-Eluemunor-2017-Combine-Workout


Round 5 Pick 182- Kofi Amichia South Florida- Height: 6035 Weight: 304 10 Yard- 1.74 3-Cone: N/A Shuttle: N/A



Highlights: https://youtu.be/T_3yIL8qRzs
Game 1: (LT-#75)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpUujpZsoyE
Game 2: (LT-#75) https://youtu.be/WVMUs1uUy7M
Game 3: (LT-#75) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3W2yUR3Abg


Round 6 Pick 212- Levon (LEE-von) Myers Northern Illinois- Height: 6046 Weight: 309 10 Yard- 1.82 3-Cone: 7.52 Shuttle: 4.83



Highlights: https://youtu.be/JE6FOr_1cZs
Game 1: (LT-#71) https://youtu.be/F12Sh61ooYI
Game 2: (LT-#71) https://youtu.be/5Mn2j6SVy1I
Game 3: (LT-#71) https://youtu.be/PIXrMo-AJWk


Round 7 Pick 247- Corey Levin Chatanooga- Height: 6036 Weight: 307 10 Yard- N/A 3-Cone: 7.55 Shuttle: 4.73



Game 1: (LG-#62) https://youtu.be/bA91nQAa6Lc
Game 2: (LG-#62) https://youtu.be/0PadRxpMikg
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000797488/Corey-Levin-2017-Combine-Workout


Players that weren't included in the Mock Draft:

(Other) Ted Thompson OL

Taylor Moton Western Michigan- Height: 6053 Weight: 319 10 Yard- 1.84 3-Cone: 7.73 Shuttle: 4.58

Game: https://youtu.be/D9KMn9I8lzQ
Combine: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000797531/Taylor-Moton-2017-Combine-Workout


J.J. Dielman Utah- Height: 6046 Weight: 309 10 Yard- N/A 3-Cone: N/A Shuttle: N/A [Lisfranc Injury]

Game (2015-RT-#68]: https://youtu.be/g0EFor8vWng
Game (2016-C): https://youtu.be/E8SRQ-V0pxQ


6'6"+ Tackles that meet TT requirements

Julien Davenport Bucknell- Height: 6066 Weight: 318 10 Yard- 1.88 3-Cone: 7.57 Shuttle: 4.69

Will Holden Vanderbilt- Height: 6073 Weight: 311 10 Yard- 1.83 3-Cone: 7.71 Shuttle: 4.72

Connor McDermott UCLA- Height: 6081 Weight: 307 10 Yard- 1.85 3-Cone: 7.52 Shuttle: 4.58

Storm Norton Toledo- Height: 6072 Weight: 307 10 Yard- 1.74 3-Cone: 7.40 Shuttle: 4.64


Center-Only that meet TT requirements

Kyle Fuller Baylor- Height: 6046 Weight: 307 10 Yard- 1.81 3-Cone: 7.71 Shuttle: 4.84

Chase Roullier Wyoming- Height: 6036 Weight: 312 10 Yard- 1.94 3-Cone: 7.60 Shuttle: 4.47


Players that I can't completely rule out due to a weak OL Class

Isaac Asiata Utah- Height: 6031 Weight: 323 10 Yard- 1.85 3-Cone: 7.83 Shuttle: 4.93

Aviante Collins TCU- Height: 6042 Weight: 295 10 Yard- 1.69 3-Cone: 7.85 Shuttle: 4.75


A Reminder on How I Judge the #s of OL:

Cadmus wrote:

My only requirement for OL is a 7.70 3C, but that's not necessarily a strict cutoff point. I've said before that I think the 3C is the only drill the Packers truly care about (unless significant problems are present elsewhere). The Packers have selected just 1 Player in the last 11 Draft Classes that hasn't reached the 7.7s or lower (even Schlauderschitt was in the 7.7s). Jamon Meredith was the only player above that threshold and I think you could easily write that selection off as a perceived value pick. Meredith was generally rated as an early-mid 2nd and then fell to the end of the 5th (it would be like Moton falling to the end of the 5th). The <7.7 3C also represents one of the more exclusive OL clubs in the NFL draft every single year and its clear the Packers value OL with agility, specifically the COD skills.

So for the 3C: (Basic outline, not necessarily some concrete rubric)

<7.70- These players will always meet my requirements unless there's a significant performance red flag.

7.71-7.74- All of these players will typically be treated similar to the a sub 7.7 OL unless the other numbers are poor or there's a performance issue.

7.75-7.79- These players must posses satisfactory numbers in the shuttle and 10 yard split AND the performance on the field must alleviate any potential concerns.

>7.79- I rarely consider OL for the Packers once they exceed that threshold. If a player is above a 7.8 they are typically either: 1) A poor athlete overall OR 2) [If they perform well in other drills] They are a linear athlete that would be too stiff to be drafted by the Packers.


I also use the shuttle and 10 yard split as secondary guidelines.

For the Shuttle:

<4.85- Players are unlikely to be excluded from the list if they measure well in the 3C and have a satisfactory 10 yard split.

4.85-4.89- The point where I start to worry and will pull players if I have concerns about on-field performance and/or the other numbers don't compensate for the time. Most of the players that fall in this range have already been excluded by the 3C, but there are players that end up here with a 7.7 3C and I evaluate them individually.

>4.89- DOA

For 10 yard split:

<1.85- Players are unlikely to be excluded from the list if they measure well in the 3C and have a satisfactory shuttle value.

1.85-1.89- The point where I start to worry and will pull players if I have concerns about on-field performance and/or the other numbers don't compensate for the time. Most of the players that fall in this range have already been excluded by the 3C, but there are players that end up here with a 7.7 3C and I will evaluate them individually.

>1.89- DOA


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siragusa in the 4th would work out pretty well for us. Dawkins in the late 2nd is also kind of appealing, but I think we have more pressing needs.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me know if you guys like this or not.

I may do other positions before the draft if there's demand for them.

My "v2.5B" would definitely be CBs, but anything beyond that I would be open recommendations (WR, RB, EDGE, etc.).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol I didn't read the whole title first
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NormSizedMidget wrote:
Lol I didn't read the whole title first


Haha.

,,,and you're thinking... 8 straight OL?!?!?

ol'Cad must have gone senile.

On a more serious note: If you guys think I'm missing anyone let me know and I'll tell you why they aren't included. For the guys you see projected in the later rounds elsewhere (NFLDS, etc.) the answer will usually be that I didn't assign them a draftable grade.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
Lol I didn't read the whole title first


Haha.

,,,and you're thinking... 8 straight OL?!?!?

ol'Cad must have gone senile.

On a more serious note: If you guys think I'm missing anyone let me know and I'll tell you why they aren't included. For the guys you see projected in the later rounds elsewhere (NFLDS, etc.) the answer will usually be that I didn't assign them a draftable grade.


At lamp I was like okay cad wants him first? Then I got to the third round and figured it out. Took me way too long
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Cadmus wrote:
Let me know if you guys like this or not.

I may do other positions before the draft if there's demand for them.

My "v2.5B" would definitely be CBs, but anything beyond that I would be open recommendations (WR, RB, EDGE, etc.).


Yeah .. this was pretty cool. I caught on to what you were doing. CB, Edge, and RB would be sweet.
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Very nice! Would love to see an Edge and CB draft since they are high on our needs list. If TT drafts anyone before a 4th round pick he's drafting them to start (Moton, Dawkins) Can't stop crushing on Asiata, I know he fails the requirements, but he is one nasty OG. Would like to see a little more nasty in the OL.
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I'm a pretty big fan of Feeney in the third. You realistically think he will be there?
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vegas492 wrote:
I'm a pretty big fan of Feeney in the third. You realistically think he will be there?


At our pick? Probably not.

Miami and Minnesota both desperately need Guards so he could be off the board by the end of the 2nd or he could fall to the middle of the 3rd, but I don't see him dropping much further than that. The only potential curveball with Feeney is the concussion situation. That could drop him to our pick, but would Green Bay even be interested if that were the reason?

I have a high 3rd Rd grade on Feeney and that's the only reason I put him in the 3rd in the mock. It's the same thing with Myers (Late 5th-Early 6th) and Levin (Late 6th). If they were close enough to that round I just selected them with the next pick.
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Dubz41 wrote:
Very nice! Would love to see an Edge and CB draft since they are high on our needs list.

{Family Ghost} wrote:
Yeah .. this was pretty cool. I caught on to what you were doing. CB, Edge, and RB would be sweet.


Ok, I've got a couple that want to see CB and EDGE. Anyone else want to see them or is this just a pointless exercise?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
Lol I didn't read the whole title first


Haha.

,,,and you're thinking... 8 straight OL?!?!?

ol'Cad must have gone senile.

On a more serious note: If you guys think I'm missing anyone let me know and I'll tell you why they aren't included. For the guys you see projected in the later rounds elsewhere (NFLDS, etc.) the answer will usually be that I didn't assign them a draftable grade.


How do you feel about the tackle from Harvard. His pro day was pretty impressive and go hand in hand with guys who will get drafted in the top 3 rounds.

Do an EDGE and CB too.
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MantyWrestler wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
Lol I didn't read the whole title first


Haha.

,,,and you're thinking... 8 straight OL?!?!?

ol'Cad must have gone senile.

On a more serious note: If you guys think I'm missing anyone let me know and I'll tell you why they aren't included. For the guys you see projected in the later rounds elsewhere (NFLDS, etc.) the answer will usually be that I didn't assign them a draftable grade.


How do you feel about the tackle from Harvard. His pro day was pretty impressive and go hand in hand with guys who will get drafted in the top 3 rounds.

Do an EDGE and CB too.


Wasn't on my radar until a few weeks ago. He's just a PFA for me (Tackle Only).

I was expecting a better player with the numbers he posted. I don't think he will be able to handle the jump in competition to be completely honest.

Yale Game is online for anyone interested.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
MantyWrestler wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
Lol I didn't read the whole title first


Haha.

,,,and you're thinking... 8 straight OL?!?!?

ol'Cad must have gone senile.

On a more serious note: If you guys think I'm missing anyone let me know and I'll tell you why they aren't included. For the guys you see projected in the later rounds elsewhere (NFLDS, etc.) the answer will usually be that I didn't assign them a draftable grade.


How do you feel about the tackle from Harvard. His pro day was pretty impressive and go hand in hand with guys who will get drafted in the top 3 rounds.

Do an EDGE and CB too.


Wasn't on my radar until a few weeks ago. He's just a PFA for me (Tackle Only).

I was expecting a better player with the numbers he posted. I don't think he will be able to handle the jump in competition to be completely honest.

Yale Game is online for anyone interested.


I agree he's not ready yet there's probably a year maybe two years away from being ready but you can't deny that the tools are there for him to be very good tackle in this league. His strength and quickness are worth a shot with a draft pick in the 6-7th round range.

Skills can be taught, athletic ability not. Plus he's got to be smart being from Harvard. I'd really like to know if Murphy is going to eventually move to guard because if he does we could really use another tackle and and if so this guy might be totally worth it.


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Please post more one position drafts! I love it. Thank you for the hard work!
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