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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject: Week Before The Draft Mock Reply with quote

Round1. Alabama OLB Ryan Anderson 6'2 253 4.78: I can't help myself with this selection. I know the Steelers have been spending more time with Tim Williams but that is a smokescreen. Anderson is one of the smoothest transitions to 34 OLB for the Steelers in this draft. Is already a man versus the run and has gradually increased his sack production & disruption against the pass. This guy screams football player to me. He also cleared up the Deshaun Watson incident. This dude is Greg Lloyd v2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTvYEyOhSk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPjLUkHUxX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abm61lGLOmo

Round2. LA Tech WR Carlos Henderson 5'11 190 4.46: Silky smooth route runner. Carlos has insane quickness and gets immediate separation once he catches the ball. Can out jump defenders for the ball. Henderson has solid hands and is an immediate contributor. I don't like the Martavis Bryant situation. I'm curious if and when Bryant will be reinstated. Carlos Henderson is the most complete WR in this draft. There are bigger and faster WRs in this class but Henderson is a bigger and more explosive Antonio Brown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpUiEgtXiqA

Round3. Miami QB Brad Kaaya 6'4 218: Smooth rhythmic passer of the football. Solid fundamentally when dropping back and scanning his reads. His major flaw that irritates me is when facing the rush is he will drop his eyes. If drafted, there will be many 'Bye Felicia" gifs due to his mother being the character from the hit movie Friday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caxpx9QSHvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycsBF6N5aU8

Round3. Florida SS Marcus Maye 6' 210 4.47: Can play both SS & FS at a high level. Has played in the slot and is effective blitzing from there. Mayes has good ball skills and can also play STs. I don't see him challenging Davis or Mitchell but he is depth for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c

Round4. Houston CB Howard Wilson 6'1 186 4.56: Playmaker. Wilson is good in man or zone. He is willing to come up and blast receivers/RBs. Has great closing speed to close and challenge the catch. Plays on STs as Jammer. Will bait the QB and close for the interception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agLsarSoeqQ

Round5. Houston Specialist Brandon Wilson 5'10 198 4.40: CB who is still learning the position. Houston asked him to play RB and he was a beast doing it. He returned kicks and was a beast at it. He can also play defense as a Slot or boundary CB. One of many college football players who play all phases of the game at a high level. He can be a returner while the team decides who will get such a wonderful athlete.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJsCRbjNW-4

Round6. Jackson State OLB Javancy Jones 6'2 252 4.54: I like Javancy more than I do Carl Lawson. Hands are one of the more important parts of playing defense. Can play multiple schemes. Jones plays with passion and he has that it factor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SonmXKBX4Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLxT_R_3FM

Round7. Georgia Tech RB Justin Thomas 5'9 190 4.35: Shifty QB who won't make it to the NFL as a QB and has accepted the switch. Has insane quickness and great vision. Runs with power even though he is a smaller player. Lateral agility is second to none. Would be a bonus if he learns to return kicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlySOHLObHk
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't like Andersonin1st, but Henderson-Kaaya-Maye are very realistic optionscome draft weekend.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustPlainNasty wrote:
I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.


Watt has had two or three reconstructive (?) surgeries on the same knee. That's a trend that must be closely monitored. Looking at Steelers and their need for pass rusher, would you be willing to take Watt with such a huge risk?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustPlainNasty wrote:
I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.

Agreed. A couple of months ago he was a 1st rdr. Now he's a 2nd or 3rd rdr tho no football has been played and his Combine was what you'd expect. Just because the so called experts dropped him doesn't mean NFL execs have.
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why does KC have Houston (who is returning from a knee) cover AB on a crucial play? THAT makes no sense

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chieferific wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.

Agreed. A couple of months ago he was a 1st rdr. Now he's a 2nd or 3rd rdr tho no football has been played and his Combine was what you'd expect. Just because the so called experts dropped him doesn't mean NFL execs have.


I think it's that he's not a great athlete, and it looked that way on tape as well. Has some off field questions. There are some questions growing of OLB or ILB from what I've heard, that some teams are thinking that he's going to be a "poor man's" Hightower, in that he will be good at a lot of things, great at nothing.
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Jarvis Jones signs with Steelers


Hahahahaha.

Jones' only chance is to go to Tenn. Otherwise he is flipping burgers this fall.
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warfelg wrote:
Chieferific wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.

Agreed. A couple of months ago he was a 1st rdr. Now he's a 2nd or 3rd rdr tho no football has been played and his Combine was what you'd expect. Just because the so called experts dropped him doesn't mean NFL execs have.


I think it's that he's not a great athlete, and it looked that way on tape as well. Has some off field questions. There are some questions growing of OLB or ILB from what I've heard, that some teams are thinking that he's going to be a "poor man's" Hightower, in that he will be good at a lot of things, great at nothing.

I'd be fine with that at #30.
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why does KC have Houston (who is returning from a knee) cover AB on a crucial play? THAT makes no sense

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Chieferific wrote:
warfelg wrote:
Chieferific wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.

Agreed. A couple of months ago he was a 1st rdr. Now he's a 2nd or 3rd rdr tho no football has been played and his Combine was what you'd expect. Just because the so called experts dropped him doesn't mean NFL execs have.


I think it's that he's not a great athlete, and it looked that way on tape as well. Has some off field questions. There are some questions growing of OLB or ILB from what I've heard, that some teams are thinking that he's going to be a "poor man's" Hightower, in that he will be good at a lot of things, great at nothing.

I'd be fine with that at #30.


I want someone to be great at something if I am taking them in round 1.
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Jarvis Jones signs with Steelers


Hahahahaha.

Jones' only chance is to go to Tenn. Otherwise he is flipping burgers this fall.
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warfelg wrote:
Chieferific wrote:
warfelg wrote:
Chieferific wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
I have Anderson rated much higher than most it seems. Try as you might to knock him down but his tape doesn't lie and has been consistent for years. I feel others on that D-Line get much more hype than they deserve and Anderson hasn't gotten enough.

I too however would prefer if we somehow got him in the second even though I have him rated higher than our pick.

In my latest run through of a mock I have Green Bay taking Anderson ahead of us in the 1st and the Steelers getting Watt in the second.. I can see a swap of that possibly happening as they'd take Watt in the 1st and we get Anderson in 2nd.

Great interviews though, gotta love his mentality.

Agreed. A couple of months ago he was a 1st rdr. Now he's a 2nd or 3rd rdr tho no football has been played and his Combine was what you'd expect. Just because the so called experts dropped him doesn't mean NFL execs have.


I think it's that he's not a great athlete, and it looked that way on tape as well. Has some off field questions. There are some questions growing of OLB or ILB from what I've heard, that some teams are thinking that he's going to be a "poor man's" Hightower, in that he will be good at a lot of things, great at nothing.

I'd be fine with that at #30.


I want someone to be great at something if I am taking them in round 1.
To want it is fine. To expect it is na´ve.
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why does KC have Houston (who is returning from a knee) cover AB on a crucial play? THAT makes no sense

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In Depth analysis on Carlos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9RLmjXE0sM
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Wrong thread
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why does KC have Houston (who is returning from a knee) cover AB on a crucial play? THAT makes no sense

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chieferific wrote:
To want it is fine. To expect it is na´ve.


I basically have rules for each round, and it's how I base our mocks:

Round 1 - You should have 1 great skill that from day 1 I can put you on the field and you can do. Even if you do it part time (Thinking this year an OLB who only pass rushes), its something I need to feel certain can happen.

A recent guy who fits this is Bud Dupree. Great athleticism and burst. He put that to use right away.

Round 2 - You should be a solid player that can contribute. Have upside that I can develop. Be a solid player who will take time to develop, but was a contributor all throughout his college career.

A recent guy who fits this is Stephon Tuitt

Round 3 - All about upside here. Someone with tools but little refinement here. I'm taking someone what will at least put in on special teams.

Example Shamarko Thomas

Round 4/5 - I'm taking the less athletic guys who contributed for their teams in college here. These are guys I know can do it skills wise, not sure if they can handle it athletically.

Example Jesse James and Anthony Chickilo

Rounds 6/7 - Guys that I want to see with plenty of flaws in their game, but I don't want to risk another team getting them via UDFA.

Examples Tyler Matakavich and Antonio Brown

UDFA - I'm just looking for guys with one skill that might be useful for us

Example Ramon Foster; he was a good run blocker, but was slow, sloppy, and couldn't pass protect for his life.[/b]
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Jarvis Jones signs with Steelers


Hahahahaha.

Jones' only chance is to go to Tenn. Otherwise he is flipping burgers this fall.
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So who fits your Rd1 Rule this year @ #30?
Also, the instant impact of a Rd one rarely happens. It didn't happen for Dupree. It didn't happen for Troy. I'd say Burns is a better example than those two.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chieferific wrote:
So who fits your Rd1 Rule this year @ #30?
Also, the instant impact of a Rd one rarely happens. It didn't happen for Dupree. It didn't happen for Troy. I'd say Burns is a better example than those two.


I dont think he is saying that they have to be immediate great starters....just have a great asset you can build off of. Dupree had elite athleticism from the get go, but he seriously lacked technique. However. I think we are starting to see what happens you add technique to elite athleticism, because Dupree is really coming around.

I actually agree with what warfelg is saying. Only thing I will saying against it is that even if a player has a few great assets, that doesnt guarantee success in the NFL. Not exactly earth-shattering news, but its always important to know that the draft, even the first round and especially the late first round, is largely a crapshoot.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chieferific wrote:
So who fits your Rd1 Rule this year @ #30?
Also, the instant impact of a Rd one rarely happens. It didn't happen for Dupree. It didn't happen for Troy. I'd say Burns is a better example than those two.


Charles Harris, Takk McKinney, Obi Melifonwu, Carl Lawson

Harris has great hands, Takk has great athleticism, Obi has great athleticism, Lawson has great instincts.
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Jones' only chance is to go to Tenn. Otherwise he is flipping burgers this fall.
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