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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Colts Sign Hankins Reply with quote

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Former Giants' DT Johnathan Hankins, the top-rated available free agent, is signing a 3-year, $30M deal with Colts, source tells ESPN.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a good addition for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 things.

1. Good for Hankins. He's been a solid player for us and seems like a good dude. Glad he got his pay day.

2. The writing has been on the wall. The Giants are paying huge money to the other 3 starters on the defensive line. We couldn't afford to pay Hankins what he's worth.

3. Damon Harrison was an all-pro last year and is one the best NTs the league. Hankins' game doesn't compliment Harrison well because he's also a wide body run stuffer type. We might be better off drafting a smaller quicker DT to compliment Harrison.
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Apparently according to Rappaport it's 10.5M year 1 (including the signing bonus, so that cap hit is for the 3 years, but that's the total $ he sees, bonus plus salary, figures unknown), and 5.4M more guaranteed year 2.

It's still an overpay for NT in a 3-4 scheme (before this year, no 3-4 NT made more than 5-6M), but at age 25, that's the reality of the new cap. Frankly, IND needs all the help they can get on D. Made total sense to sign him. Basically only a 2-year commitment, so very reasonable given what Brandon Williams got, unless the signing bonus is most of that 10M+ year 1 (which seems doubtful, IND has plenty of cap room, no need to backload the deal).
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Gmen wrote:
3 things.

1. Good for Hankins. He's been a solid player for us and seems like a good dude. Glad he got his pay day.

2. The writing has been on the wall. The Giants are paying huge money to the other 3 starters on the defensive line. We couldn't afford to pay Hankins what he's worth.

3. Damon Harrison was an all-pro last year and is one the best NTs the league. Hankins' game doesn't compliment Harrison well because he's also a wide body run stuffer type. We might be better off drafting a smaller quicker DT to compliment Harrison.


That's part of what helped you guys go 2-0 against Dallas last year though. I'll be interested to see how much they prioritize pass rusher over run stuffer in Hankins' replacement, knowing that their main competition for the division title will likely be Dallas.

The NFC West and AFC West that you'll be facing this season will also have a lot of good running teams.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Gmen wrote:
3 things.

1. Good for Hankins. He's been a solid player for us and seems like a good dude. Glad he got his pay day.

2. The writing has been on the wall. The Giants are paying huge money to the other 3 starters on the defensive line. We couldn't afford to pay Hankins what he's worth.

3. Damon Harrison was an all-pro last year and is one the best NTs the league. Hankins' game doesn't compliment Harrison well because he's also a wide body run stuffer type. We might be better off drafting a smaller quicker DT to compliment Harrison.


That's part of what helped you guys go 2-0 against Dallas last year though. I'll be interested to see how much they prioritize pass rusher over run stuffer in Hankins' replacement, knowing that their main competition for the division title will likely be Dallas.

The NFC West and AFC West that you'll be facing this season will also have a lot of good running teams.

Yea, but it's a passing league and we didn't get enough pressure up the middle. We have a great edge rushing duo in JPP / Vernon that definitely would have had more sacks if the QB didn't have a clean pocket so often. Obviously it would be nice to have a DT that is great at doing both, but this is real life.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
That's part of what helped you guys go 2-0 against Dallas last year though. I'll be interested to see how much they prioritize pass rusher over run stuffer in Hankins' replacement, knowing that their main competition for the division title will likely be Dallas.

The NFC West and AFC West that you'll be facing this season will also have a lot of good running teams.


But it's also what hamstrung them against Green Bay IIRC.
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Gmen wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Gmen wrote:
3 things.

1. Good for Hankins. He's been a solid player for us and seems like a good dude. Glad he got his pay day.

2. The writing has been on the wall. The Giants are paying huge money to the other 3 starters on the defensive line. We couldn't afford to pay Hankins what he's worth.

3. Damon Harrison was an all-pro last year and is one the best NTs the league. Hankins' game doesn't compliment Harrison well because he's also a wide body run stuffer type. We might be better off drafting a smaller quicker DT to compliment Harrison.


That's part of what helped you guys go 2-0 against Dallas last year though. I'll be interested to see how much they prioritize pass rusher over run stuffer in Hankins' replacement, knowing that their main competition for the division title will likely be Dallas.

The NFC West and AFC West that you'll be facing this season will also have a lot of good running teams.

Yea, but it's a passing league and we didn't get enough pressure up the middle. We have a great edge rushing duo in JPP / Vernon that definitely would have had more sacks if the QB didn't have a clean pocket so often. Obviously it would be nice to have a DT that is great at doing both, but this is real life.


And while a lot can change in a year, keep in mind that the AFCW and NFCW teams aren't nearly as good at the run as in prior years.

By DVOA, 3 of the 8 teams were in the 11-15 range - SF 11, ARI 14 & OAK 15 (and I'd dare say Chip's scheme allowed for run success with Kaep/Hyde at the expense of a high school pass O), while the rest of the divisions were just putrid efficiency-wise - a lot of their stats were based on volume rather than good run games. KC 20, SEA 23, SD 24, DEN 30, LARM 32. Of course some teams addressed OL (Rams & Whitworth, for example), but outside of OAK, these are not teams with great OL's.

Given they already have Snacks at 1 DT, getting an inside pass rush threat at 2nd DT makes a lot of sense for the G-men.
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Pains me to say, but good move for the Colts. That's a hefty contract this deep into FA. Hankins was probably the last "tier 1" guy left.
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Wonder what took him so long to sign. That looks like a day one type of deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmen wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Gmen wrote:
3 things.

1. Good for Hankins. He's been a solid player for us and seems like a good dude. Glad he got his pay day.

2. The writing has been on the wall. The Giants are paying huge money to the other 3 starters on the defensive line. We couldn't afford to pay Hankins what he's worth.

3. Damon Harrison was an all-pro last year and is one the best NTs the league. Hankins' game doesn't compliment Harrison well because he's also a wide body run stuffer type. We might be better off drafting a smaller quicker DT to compliment Harrison.


That's part of what helped you guys go 2-0 against Dallas last year though. I'll be interested to see how much they prioritize pass rusher over run stuffer in Hankins' replacement, knowing that their main competition for the division title will likely be Dallas.

The NFC West and AFC West that you'll be facing this season will also have a lot of good running teams.

Yea, but it's a passing league and we didn't get enough pressure up the middle. We have a great edge rushing duo in JPP / Vernon that definitely would have had more sacks if the QB didn't have a clean pocket so often. Obviously it would be nice to have a DT that is great at doing both, but this is real life.


I agree. I just brought it up as something to consider. Especially since finding a pass rushing DT is easier said than done.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually floored that he got a deal as good as this one given the market. Good for him.
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I think we had like 30 million in cap space before this. I was pissed when I thought Ballard blew it. Lol at people calling everything an overpay. Zero complaints.
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Forge wrote:
I'm actually floored that he got a deal as good as this one given the market. Good for him.


I'm floored that it took him this long to find a new team given his talent.

But good deal for Hank, he deserves every penny.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Gmen wrote:
3 things.

1. Good for Hankins. He's been a solid player for us and seems like a good dude. Glad he got his pay day.

2. The writing has been on the wall. The Giants are paying huge money to the other 3 starters on the defensive line. We couldn't afford to pay Hankins what he's worth.

3. Damon Harrison was an all-pro last year and is one the best NTs the league. Hankins' game doesn't compliment Harrison well because he's also a wide body run stuffer type. We might be better off drafting a smaller quicker DT to compliment Harrison.


That's part of what helped you guys go 2-0 against Dallas last year though. I'll be interested to see how much they prioritize pass rusher over run stuffer in Hankins' replacement, knowing that their main competition for the division title will likely be Dallas.

The NFC West and AFC West that you'll be facing this season will also have a lot of good running teams.


Well, duh, if you take out their best weapon, that offense becomes one-dimensional. No Dez, T-Will, Witten, Beasley, etc. in all-singles coverage.

Like Crickett said, though, it also hurt them against elite passing teams, so it was kinda a double-edged sword.
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