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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MemphisEagles wrote:
Hope St. Louis wins. Don't want to get all political but citizens shouldn't pay for stadiums. The billionaire owners who profit from them should. It's been proven time and time again that stadiums cost more than they bring in to an economy.


I read the article and have tried to dig as much as possible, and honestly I think they've got a pretty solid case. There seemed to be some obvious deception coming from the Kronke camp throughout the process. The city of St. Louis spent how much money coming up with concepts, and blueprints, and trying to get a stadium approved that the guy pretty clearly had no interest in pursing, so now they are out that money as well as what's owed on the stadium.

Why are relocation fees paid to the other team owners in the first place? Why aren't they paying a fee to leave the city? They at least should be expected to pay off the cost of the stadium when choosing to leave the city.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

St. Louis has no legs to stand on. I'm not sure if the NFL will even settle. Won't be surprised if this case gets kicked quickly.
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H2ThaIzzo wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
Hope St. Louis wins. Don't want to get all political but citizens shouldn't pay for stadiums. The billionaire owners who profit from them should. It's been proven time and time again that stadiums cost more than they bring in to an economy.


I read the article and have tried to dig as much as possible, and honestly I think they've got a pretty solid case. There seemed to be some obvious deception coming from the Kronke camp throughout the process. The city of St. Louis spent how much money coming up with concepts, and blueprints, and trying to get a stadium approved that the guy pretty clearly had no interest in pursing, so now they are out that money as well as what's owed on the stadium.

Why are relocation fees paid to the other team owners in the first place? Why aren't they paying a fee to leave the city? They at least should be expected to pay off the cost of the stadium when choosing to leave the city.


They don't have a solid case. The Rams and St. Louis had a lease. The lease mandated that St. Louis keep the stadium in the first tier of stadiums. There was dispute over how much they'd spend to do that. It went to arbitration. The Rams won. St. Louis told them they weren't going to make the upgrades per the lease. The Rams opted out of the lease and went to a year-to-year lease. The Rams then considered the proposal submitted by St. Louis for a new stadium. It was unsatisfactory. They rejected it and took the better deal.

They didn't violate NFL rules. St. Louis could have retained the team, but it chose to break the lease and make an unsatisfactory offer.
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Taxpayers on the hook for an empty NFL stadium and maintenance fees? Yeah, I hope that they win the suit.
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Non-Issue wrote:
bzane wrote:
EliteTexan80 wrote:
There still sitting on a $144mm tab for Edward Jones Stadium:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sports-nfl-stadiums-insight-idUSKCN0VC0EP

I think if the NFL teams pitch in to cover the debt (and any ongoing stadium maintenance until the stadium is removed and/or occupied) could make this lawsuit go away.


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Taxpayers will now shoulder the remaining payments for the Edward Jones Dome with only the help of revenue from tractor pulls, volleyball tournaments, concerts and the like.


The fans would rather attend tractor pulls than watch Jared Goff play quarterback.


Laughing Nice!

Well then, everything worked out and everyone should be happy. Because LA fans would rather watch Goff play than watch tractor pulls.


At least the tractors actually move down the field...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MWil23 wrote:
Taxpayers on the hook for an empty NFL stadium and maintenance fees? Yeah, I hope that they win the suit.


Two things about this statement. One the dome wasn't built for the Rams. Two during this whole process the guy filing this suit insisted the Dome would be more profitable with the Rams not there. Now the story changes just like it did right after they lured the Rams from LA initially.

It's also funny that Nixon was states attorney general when they moved to St Louis and filed a law suit against the NFL for the very same reason he's suing them now.
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Flaccomania wrote:
Non-Issue wrote:
bzane wrote:
EliteTexan80 wrote:
There still sitting on a $144mm tab for Edward Jones Stadium:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sports-nfl-stadiums-insight-idUSKCN0VC0EP

I think if the NFL teams pitch in to cover the debt (and any ongoing stadium maintenance until the stadium is removed and/or occupied) could make this lawsuit go away.


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Taxpayers will now shoulder the remaining payments for the Edward Jones Dome with only the help of revenue from tractor pulls, volleyball tournaments, concerts and the like.


The fans would rather attend tractor pulls than watch Jared Goff play quarterback.


Laughing Nice!

Well then, everything worked out and everyone should be happy. Because LA fans would rather watch Goff play than watch tractor pulls.


At least the tractors actually move down the field...


All right thread over we have a winner
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I don't understand most of that, but I can tell it's probably inaccurate.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope St.Louis wins this case. Also once again public tax dollars shouldn't go towards funding a sports stadium.
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Non-Issue wrote:
Because LA fans would rather watch Goff play than watch tractor pulls.
How long do you think that will last?


Well, Angelino's really aint all into tractor pulls. And we did watch 7 years of Vince Ferragamo. So... 7 years?
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Flaccomania wrote:
Non-Issue wrote:
bzane wrote:
EliteTexan80 wrote:
There still sitting on a $144mm tab for Edward Jones Stadium:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sports-nfl-stadiums-insight-idUSKCN0VC0EP

I think if the NFL teams pitch in to cover the debt (and any ongoing stadium maintenance until the stadium is removed and/or occupied) could make this lawsuit go away.


Quote:
Taxpayers will now shoulder the remaining payments for the Edward Jones Dome with only the help of revenue from tractor pulls, volleyball tournaments, concerts and the like.


The fans would rather attend tractor pulls than watch Jared Goff play quarterback.


Laughing Nice!

Well then, everything worked out and everyone should be happy. Because LA fans would rather watch Goff play than watch tractor pulls.


At least the tractors actually move down the field...


HEADSHOT! Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: City of St. Louis is suing NFL over Rams relocation Reply with quote

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/rams/2017/04/12/st-louis-sues-nfl-rams-relocation-los-angeles-owners-teams/100379128/

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St. Louis sues NFL, all 32 teams over Rams' relocation to Los Angeles

The St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority, the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County have filed a lawsuit against the Rams and the NFL over the team's move to Los Angeles.

The complaint submitted to the Circuit Court of St. Louis on Wednesday lists all 32 teams as defendants.

The plaintiffs allege the Rams and the NFL violated the standards of team relocations and breached its contract with the city. The suit says the Rams made intentional false claims that only enriched themselves and damaged the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs are asking the court to force the Rams to give up the profits they made in the relocation, award punitive damages and grant any other necessary or appropriate relief.


Thoughts?


All 32 teams?
What the hell did the Packers ever do?
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NFL isn't going to settle this anytime soon, if at all. if they did, they'd have the cities of San Diego and Oakland filing a similar lawsuit w/ different specifics and they'd have to settle those too..

Honestly, this is something that will get kicked around the courts for the next 5-10 years before a definitive decision is issued and the appeals process has been exhausted...
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kgarrett12486 wrote:
NFL isn't going to settle this anytime soon, if at all. if they did, they'd have the cities of San Diego and Oakland filing a similar lawsuit w/ different specifics and they'd have to settle those too..

Honestly, this is something that will get kicked around the courts for the next 5-10 years before a definitive decision is issued and the appeals process has been exhausted...


That's doubtful.
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This looks like political grandstanding. There are parts of the lease that they could legitimately challenge (e.g. Kroenke believes he still has the right to buy a practice facility for $1, but the city could argue that was part of the lease, which is now terminated, so he can't). This isn't really one of them.

The only way around this situation is to have voters realize what a horrible idea putting taxpayer dollars into stadiums is.
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ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
This looks like political grandstanding. There are parts of the lease that they could legitimately challenge (e.g. Kroenke believes he still has the right to buy a practice facility for $1, but the city could argue that was part of the lease, which is now terminated, so he can't). This isn't really one of them.

The only way around this situation is to have voters realize what a horrible idea putting taxpayer dollars into stadiums is.


I think voters in many cities do realize that. Which is why some cities/states (St Louis recently) completely bypassed the voters.

If the public's money is funding an incredibly expensive and unnecessary thing like a football stadium, its ridiculous to not be required to get the public's approval. Its THEIR money.
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