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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:19 am    Post subject: KIRK TRADE TALK THREAD 2017 spring edition episode 3 Reply with quote

VROOM VROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you hear that? im reviving the kirk cousins trade talk Laughing its been a while since we've had cousins talk and i know all if you miss it. let me present the scenario here.

If kirk is gonna get traded it will happen within the next 3 weeks. i expect to the rumors to pick up heading into the draft. Hypothetically lets say he gets traded, tell us what he got traded for.........ill say the browns 2nd first round pick and a 2nd next year.
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He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.
This. We can close the thread now.
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He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.
i see you missed the key work HYPOTHETICALLY!!!!!
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He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
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I'm guessing you made this pointless thread because you miss 21 ALL THE WAY?
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lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near or surpass what Andrew Luck's is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.

It appears to me the skins are trying to get Kirk on a Andy Dalton or Colin Kapernick type deal with low guarantees that the skins could get out of a few years into the deal and Kirk isn't going to sign that. Kirk knows he can play on the franchise tag and wait his out and eventually he'll get paid on the open market either by the skins or someone else.
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turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near to surpass what Andrew Luck is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.
If we transition tag him and can't match it we'd lose him for nothing. If we let him hit free agency and lose him at least we'd get a 3rd round comp pick.
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turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near or surpass what Andrew Luck's is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.

It appears to me the skins are trying to get Kirk on a Andy Dalton or Colin Kapernick type deal with low guarantees that the skins could get out of a few years into the deal and Kirk isn't going to sign that. Kirk knows he can play on the franchise tag and wait his out and eventually he'll get paid on the open market either by the skins or someone else.


I really have a hard time believing Kirk didn't ask for a trade this off-season or that he has any intentions of signing here after everything that was reported. Maybe he didn't and it's all BS but I'm not buying it. I don't think he wants to be here and he's going to try and test the market next year.
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MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near to surpass what Andrew Luck is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.
If we transition tag him and can't match it we'd lose him for nothing. If we let him hit free agency and lose him at least we'd get a 3rd round comp pick.
We don't get a comp pick if we transition tag him?

Didn't know that.

If that's the case, the transition tag seems like a total waste unless you are sure that your player is going to sign it and in this case we can't be so sure.
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turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near to surpass what Andrew Luck is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.
If we transition tag him and can't match it we'd lose him for nothing. If we let him hit free agency and lose him at least we'd get a 3rd round comp pick.
We don't get a comp pick if we transition tag him?

Didn't know that.

If that's the case, the transition tag seems like a total waste unless you are sure that your player is going to sign it and in this case we can't be so sure.
Ya plus a team with a ton of cap space like the 49ers or Browns could front load the contract so much that we likely couldn't match.
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turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near to surpass what Andrew Luck is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.
If we transition tag him and can't match it we'd lose him for nothing. If we let him hit free agency and lose him at least we'd get a 3rd round comp pick.
We don't get a comp pick if we transition tag him?

Didn't know that.

If that's the case, the transition tag seems like a total waste unless you are sure that your player is going to sign it and in this case we can't be so sure.


Yea, they very recently changed the rule so that transition tagged players do not give you a comp pick if they sign somewhere else. Our luck Rolling Eyes

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In the past, transition tagged players qualified for the compensatory formula. See Steve Hutchinson in 2007, who qualified in favor of Seattle despite being transition tagged and lost to Minnesota as part of the infamous “poison pill” incident in which the Seahawks retaliated by signing RFA Nate Burleson to a similar “poison pill” offer sheet. However, in 2016 the NFL and NFLPA agreed to change this rule, and now transition tagged players should no longer qualify. That year, this allowed Buffalo to get a 4th round comp pick for Da’Norris Searcy by removing Charles Clay (signed on a transition tag offer sheet from Miami) from the compensatory formula. As part of the agreement, 33 comp picks were awarded in 2016 instead of the standard 32.


https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/
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lavar703 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
He's not getting traded. The front office said they won't trade him. There were like two articles out today quoting Kirk Cousins himself saying he expects to be a Redskin this year because the team told him he won't be traded.


Instead they'll just let him walk for nothing next year. It's been reported over and over again that he's not signing with this team and wants to test the market. He'll keep signing franchise tags but he's not signing a LTD here after what's transpired.
Kirk has never said that. If the team offered a fair market deal, he'd probably sign it but they keep lowballing him and that's the only reason that he keeps saying he has no problem playing on the franchise tag. He's not going to sign a deal that doesn't give him guarantees that near or surpass what Andrew Luck's is getting and he shouldn't because he could get that on the open market next year either from the Redskins - if they transition tag him and the skins match another team's offer - or from another team should the Redskins choose not to match whatever offer Kirk would get.

It appears to me the skins are trying to get Kirk on a Andy Dalton or Colin Kapernick type deal with low guarantees that the skins could get out of a few years into the deal and Kirk isn't going to sign that. Kirk knows he can play on the franchise tag and wait his out and eventually he'll get paid on the open market either by the skins or someone else.


I really have a hard time believing Kirk didn't ask for a trade this off-season or that he has any intentions of signing here after everything that was reported. Maybe he didn't and it's all BS but I'm not buying it. I don't think he wants to be here and he's going to try and test the market next year.
I agree with you on everything except him asking for a trade - I don't think that happened - at least Kirk and the team have said it didn't happen. I have never actually heard Kirk say he doesn't want to be in dc. Reporters spin it that way because he hasn't been offered a fair market deal and then how Kirk responds to questions about that but he's never actually said he doesn't want to be in dc.

I think he most certainly wants to test the market but that's only if the Redskins don't show they want him aka give him a fair market deal. If the Redskins gave him a fair market deal that was near what Luck was offered, I think Kirk wouldn't hesitate to sign it but the Redskins haven't come close!
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