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Who would you select?
Caleb Brantley [ DL ] Florida
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Cam Robinson [ OT ] Alabama
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Christian McCaffrey [ RB ] Stanford
23%
 23%  [ 13 ]
Dalvin Cook [ RB ] Florida State
36%
 36%  [ 20 ]
David Njoku [ TE ] Miami (Fla.)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Deshaun Watson [ QB ] Clemson
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
DeShone Kizer [ QB ] Notre Dame
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Forrest Lamp [ OL ] Western Kentucky
7%
 7%  [ 4 ]
Garett Bolles [ OT ] Utah
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Jabrill Peppers [ SS ] Michigan
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Davis [ LB ] Florida
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Kevin King [ CB ] Washington
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Malik McDowell [ DL ] Michigan State
14%
 14%  [ 8 ]
Mike Williams [ WR ] Clemson
3%
 3%  [ 2 ]
Obi Melifonwu [ SS ] Connecticut
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Ryan Ramczyk [ OT ] Wisconsin
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Taco Charlton [ Edge ] Michigan
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
TJ Watt [ Edge/LB ] Wisconsin
5%
 5%  [ 3 ]
TreDavious White [ CB ] LSU
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Zach Cunningham [ LB ] Vanderbilt
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 55

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goldfishwars


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:40 am    Post subject: FF Annual Consensus Mock - 17. Washington Redskins Reply with quote

Okay, let's do this.

Rules:
Each Poll will last no longer than 24 hours (or as near as I can)
Run-offs will take place where there is no clear leader of 15% of the vote share, unless the vote leader has more than 40% of the vote share
I will post a link to the poll in each team's forum

Poll Choices
Prospects on each poll will come from the CBS prospect rankings list, but I will welcome nominations for the each poll. This is to try and prevent complaints about poll choices.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

I will endeavour to fill all slots and do so in alphabetical order. Draft needs of teams will be considered and override the prospect rankings in certain situations.

Please contribute to the discussions within each poll and give reasons why you voted the way you did if you can. Your vote should be based on who you would pick and not a prediction of who they will select.

Draft Order:
1. Cleveland Browns: Myles Garrett [DE] Texas A&M
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=586943
2. San Francisco 49ers: Solomon Thomas [DE] Stanford
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=586983
3. Chicago Bears: Jamal Adams [SS] LSU
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587003
4. Jacksonville Jaguars: Leonard Fournette [RB] LSU
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587018
5. Tennessee Titans (From LA): Marshon Lattimore [CB] Ohio State
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587040
6. New York Jets: Malik Hooker [FS] Ohio State
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587070
7. LA Chargers: Jonathan Allen [DL] Alabama
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587080
8. Carolina Panthers: Derek Barnett [DE] Tennessee
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587113
9. Cincinnati Bengals: Reuben Foster [LB] Alabama
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587134
10. Buffalo Bills: OJ Howard [TE] Alabama
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587155
11. New Orleans Saints:Marlon Humphrey [CB] Alabama
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587197
12. Cleveland Browns: Mitch Trubisky [QB] North Carolina
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587213
13. Arizona Cardinals: Patrick Mahomes II [QB] Texas Tech
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587246
14. Philadelphia Eagles (From Minnesota):Gareon Conley [CB] Ohio State
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587269
15. Indianapolis Colts: Haason Reddick [LB] Temple
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587314
16. Baltimore Ravens: Corey Davis [WR] Western Michigan
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=587338
17. Washington Redskins:
18. Tennessee Titans
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20. Denver Broncos
21. Detroit Lions
22. Miami Dolphins
23. Oakland Raiders
24. New York Giants
25. Houston Texans
26. Seattle Seahawks
27. Kansas City Chiefs
28. Dallas Cowboys
29. Green Bay Packers
30. Pittsburgh Steelers
31. Atlanta Falcons
32. New Orleans Saints (From New England)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redskins off-season transactions

April 6, 2017 Signed OL John Kling.
April 3, 2017 Signed LB Zach Brown.
March 24, 2017 Signed WR Brian Quick.
March 20, 2017 Re-signed OT Ty Nsekhe.
March 16, 2017 Signed LB Chris Carter.
March 16, 2017 Named Chris O'Hara offensive quality control coach, Bill Callahan assistant head coach/offensive line coach, Chad Grimm outside linebackers coach and Bret Munsey assistant special teams coach. Re-signed DL Ziggy Hood and T Vinston Painter. Released DE Ricky Jean Francois.
March 14, 2017 Announced QB Kirk Cousins signed his franchise tender.
March 10, 2017 Signed DL Terrell McClain, DL Stacy McGee, S D.J. Swearinger and WR Terrelle Pryor.
March 10, 2017 Fired general manager Scot McCloughan.
March 8, 2017 Re-signed TE Vernon Davis.
March 6, 2017 Signed coach Jay Gruden to a multiyear contract extension.
March 1, 2017 Placed the exclusive franchise tag on QB Kirk Cousins. Tendered contracts to exclusive rights OT Ty Nsekhe and OL Vinston Painter.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/transactions/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins

Redskins Needs
RB
DL
LB
S
QB (If Cousins leaves)
OL
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the best outcome for both Washington and Dalvin Cook.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From one Native American mascot to another.

Also, how is corner not on the list of needs for the Redskins? Breeland is coming off of a bad year and enters the final year of his contract in 2017.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's pretty obvious that Cousins doesn't want to sign long term with the Redskins. With Watson still on the board, it might be a good idea to take him now and let him sit behind Cousins for a year. Both RBs are extremely tempting though. I prefer McCaffery to Cook because I think you can line him up at WR as well as RB, he just gives you more flexibility to the offense.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea QB could be tempting here if the board fell like this. Also the top OL (whoever you think that is) is still there. But I went with McCaffrey for like my 8th poll in a row. I think Dalvin doesnt get picked before the 2nd round.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalvin Cook.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rich7sena wrote:
From one Native American mascot to another.

Also, how is corner not on the list of needs for the Redskins? Breeland is coming off of a bad year and enters the final year of his contract in 2017.


Well, they have Josh Norman and they Drafted Kendall Fuller in the 3rd last year. CB is one of those positions where teams can always add guys, but I'm not that surprised that it's not considered enough of a need to mention.
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If this is the way the board falls, give me this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy7erbPJISQ

If anyone can keep him focused and get him to reach his potential, it's Tomsula.

Picking a RB in the first would be idiotic for us, in an offense that devalues the RB more than almost any other in the league.

EDIT: This is what I wrote on another forum about drafting RB at 17:

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Personally, I would hate drafting any RB at #17. This is due to several factors:

-Gruden hates running the football. We ranked 27th last year in rush play percentage. You can blame McVay, but it's no secret that this offense is Gruden's baby, and he easily could have stepped in and demanded they run the ball more if he was bothered by all the pass plays.



-The strength of this OL is pass blocking. People like to imagine that just because everyone now says we have a top OL that it means it's a top OL in both pass and run blocking. Redskins fans should realize that that's simply not the case. We have guys who routinely get blown off the ball in short yardage situations (Long, Lavaou, and even Scherff and Moses at times). We have guys who miss blocking in space (Lavaou and sometimes Moses). When we go up against stout front 7's we get absolutely bullied in the run game: see Panthers, Cardinals, and Giants games.



-We easily have one of the worst TE blocking units in the league. A big part of Dallas' success that gets overlooked is the blocking of their TE's. They would not be as good as they are on the ground without Witten and their rotational blocking TE's behind him. We don't have anything close to that on the roster.



-When it comes to drafting McCaffery, you could say that none of the above matters because what we will value is his ability in the slot and his punt returning abilities. This is said by those who seem to forget that we have a top 5 slot player on our team in Crowder, who also happens to be a top 3 punt returner. Between Crowder, Reed, and VD, we have the target distribution in the middle of the field well in hand. There is no need to force another weapon with the same strength when it comes to getting open in the middle of the field. There comes a point where role matters more than position, and having too many guys with the same role can set a team back.



-People seem to forget how good Kelley was before he hurt his knee. Go check the tape from the GB game last year. Or really any other game before the injury for that matter. He was routinely met in the backfield by the defense a split second after he got the ball from Kirk (see point 2) and yet he often turned those plays into 2 or 3 yard gains instead of 2 or 3 yard losses. He has room to improve when it comes to his catching, but he's extremely solid everywhere else. CT is also one of the best pass-catching RBs in the league. Why we would feel the need to relegate him to the bench, I have no idea.



-We would likely miss out on a true, pro-bowl talent on defense. After seeing what we had at defense all last year, I don't see how Redskins fans could ever be happy skipping out on that side of the ball again. We haven't taken a defensive player in the 1st round since Kerrigan. That's 2011, people. It's no wonder our defense is one of the worst in the league. Drafting offense in the 1st would be another slap in the face to that side of the ball. And we'd see where it gets us come winter. Hint: Likely a 1st round exit from the playoffs at best.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go with Watt.

I think DL is their weakest spot on defense but i dont like the value of any DL for their scheme at this spot.

Kerrigan is a stud but Trent Murphy is a Jarret Johnson-type who's suspended the 1st 4 games of the year and Junior Galette has been injured the past several years.

Plus they're a pass heavy offense in a runningback deep draft and they have Bill Callahan to help the running game.
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Tempted to take Mike Williams here. A very nice long term add for this team and getting a receiver on a rookie deal is always very good value.

McDowell would also be a good pick here.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrOaktown_56 wrote:
Tempted to take Mike Williams here. A very nice long term add for this team and getting a receiver on a rookie deal is always very good value.


I ended up voting for Williams. Don't like the defensive options available, and I think taking a RB at 17 with Jay Gruden as your coach is a complete waste of draft value.

Forrest Lamp would be a decent solution as well as an upgrade to Shawn Lauvao.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldfishwars wrote:
Redskins Needs
RB
DL
LB
S
QB (If Cousins leaves)
OL


I get that Rob Kelley is not a sexy running back, but he's serviceable. How on earth do you think RB is our #1 need? More realistic need chart:

DL (multiple)
ILB
OG/OC (if they went center, you could move Long to guard; would prefer they just get a guard though)
QB (I believe Cousins is as good as gone, but on the off chance he might stay, you cannot really draft a guy before the 3rd at the absolute earliest)
CB
RB
RT (defense against Moses leaving)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cook's there. Grab him.

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This is a very interesting scenario. Quarterback is intriguing here - likely, I think Cousins has to be considered gone. The problem is, unlike teams like SF or Cleveland, I don't think Washington has any realistic chance to be bad enough to land a top echelon quarterback in the next draft, so there is a certain degree of merit in grabbing Watson here. That being said, I still don't view any of these quarterbacks as first round picks, so it's hard for me to make that pick.

Mike Williams offers some good value, and with Pryor only being on a one year deal, and Doctson being a complete unknown who could bust out, wide receiver could make sense.

McDowell fits a need, and while I Don't know that I would consider him here for for any other team, having witnessed what Tomsula can do with young defensive lineman in SF, if there's one team where this pick could still make sense, it would be Washington. I'd have absolute faith in Tomsula to help this guy grown into a monster. If you're shooting for the moon, this is probably the guy to go with.

TJ Watt is also an option here - some versatility inside and outside, and I took him at 15 for hte Colts in one mock draft I did, so I don't feel like the value is awful.

And then there's Lamp. He represents the highest floor guy to me.

In the end, I'm not one to swing for the fences so I think McDowell is out for me. Watt's value is fine here, but I think Williams and Lamp both offer superior value. In the end, I sided with Lamp. Pryor / Doctson / Quick / Crowder / Reed can hold down the receiving game for now, and just because Pryor is a free agent doesn't necessarily means he is gone.
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