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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject: Position of Need Discussion: TE Reply with quote

With Delaine Walker turning 33 soon (or now? )We need to make sure we have a transition plan at the position.

There are no signs of Walker slowing down, but he is known to miss a game or two with injuries.

This draft has two guys that are said to be future starters. Howard and Njkou. Then outside of that, there are some other intriguing players.

Evan Engram
Jake Butt
Gerald Everrett
Adam Shanheen
Jordan Legett
Bucky Hodges
George Kittle
Jeremy Sprinkles

Each have their strengths and could add to a team, but it depends on what you are looking for, for your team.

I like the top two. Howard and Njkou. I like Njkou more than Howard, because I just feel Njkou is going to succeed in whatever he does. He comes from a family of achievers and I would get the idea, he doesn't know how to not give it his all and reach his top ability.

Howard has all the abilities but I'm just iffy of his college production. But with Lane Kiffin as OC and a freshman QB who can blame him.

Now, I think Evan Engram is very interesting. I really think he could be a WR. I know Jordan Reed is the comp for him, but could he really not be seen as a WR?

I've said repeatedly I don't think that a passing upgrade has to come entirely through the WR spot.
Someone like Engram paired with another WR like Zay Jones could really add some diversity and options to our passing game.

If we thinking about a traditional TE and a realistic replacement for Fasano is Kittle. He really dominates in the blocking game. He moves guys and then he tested very well at the combine. I'd love to have him. I think our staff would too.

So my TE rankings and want list (in order)
1. Njkou
2. Howard
3. Engram (more for a WR)
4. Kittle
5. Jake Butt
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Njoku #1 Applause
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like Engram... I just see no need for him on this team. He's not a better prospect than Amaro coming out... and if Amano's blocking hasn't allowed him to crack the lineup, I just don't see the fit on this team.

Everyone knows Walker because of the receiver he's become... but he's an outstanding blocker... probably the best overall two-way TE in the NFL. People forget he was the blocking specialist on some very good running Niner teams. He hasn't lost that skill/ability, as his receiving ability has grown and has been more utilized the past few years.

I haven't seen any video of Njoku being a good blocker, but apparently it is a skill he possesses, just not one that he displayed much at the U. IF he has that ability, and the scouts have obviously more in depth knowledge into that. If they decide to go that way, then I trust he's able to be a good blocker. I just don't see a way we draft a player at TE who can't block.

Outside of the 1st, I really like Butt... and the only reason he'd be available in the 3rd would be because of the potential red-shirt rookie year. But a guy who's being overlooked so far is Michael Roberts. Howard is obviously the best overall two-way TE prospect in the draft... but I think he's up there with Butt behind Howard ( Laughing ). I view Kittle and Sprinkle similarly, but I believe Roberts has more potential... and is being overlooked because he's coming from a small school, and didn't put up fast numbers. I think his worst case scenario is Stevens... but he has the potential to be much more.

My rankings:

1. Howard
2. Njoku
3. Butt
4. Roberts
5. Kittle
6. Sprinkle
7. Shaheen

(Removed from my rankings due to lack of blocking)
Engram
Leggett
Everett
Hodges (?)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Amaro has a real future here besides being a body. I'd like one the media people to ask the coaches and Robinson about that.

Cause if they really do draft Howard or Njoku, then Amaro has no real place. They going to use Supernaw as a blocking TE and special teams. Walker will be the main guy and then a high draft pick TE.

We only had room for 3 real guys on game day.

Just seems crazy to me, that he can't crack the lineup with his receiving skills.
But I strongly disagree saying Engram isn't better than Amaro coming out.
Engram tested better than Amaro in all the agility drills
Production wise Amaro had more coming from the Air Raid, but Engram averaged more yards per catch and scored more TDs.

His blocking isn't to the level of the top guys or someone like Kittle but it is better than people think.

Here he takes on Myles Garrett and wins.
https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft/status/840241139965972480

More blocking
https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft/status/840248259448852480

Is it a stone wall? Naw, but the effort and willingness is there, unlike someone like Cook. But even so, I think if Engram said tomorrow, he is a WR, he could be in the talks for being considered one of the top 3. He has agility test comparable to Mike Evans.

But if I had to bet on a TE over the long run, I think Njoku will end up being one of the best in the group. I just think he will succeed no matter what.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was film showing that Amaro was a better blocker than he led on too... this scouting report includes the film breakdown of his games vs OU and OSU, and said this in regards of things they liked about Amaro:

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Blocking - We were impressed overall with his blocking though you need to watch a lot of his film to get a full feel. His pass blocking, in particular, was better than advertised. He seems to block with some intensity, which we like and hes effective blocking on the perimeter--setting blocks on WR screens in particular.


These guys have enough film out there that you can find individual examples of anyone doing something.

If they draft Engram as a WR in the 2nd, there is another set of questions... none more important than can he separate at the next level? Can he develop his route running, and can he handle a serious expansion of his route tree, which was extremely limited at Ole Miss. The NFL scouting report also lists drops and making contested catches as weaknesses. How effective is a guy who can't get separation and can't make contested catches going to be at the next level. That's a concerning combo... and makes him a suspect prospect in the 2nd. If he fell to our second 3rd, I'd think about it... but he would need a lot of work... whatever position he ends up playing.

http://rotobahn.com/scouting-report-jace-amaro-te-texas-tech/
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Engram's ability to separate looks pretty good too me.
But again, it would take some offensive creativity to really bring out his skills.

Howard scares me for some reason. Something about him doesn't bring me comfort. But he is the best overall TE prospect.

I love Njkou's personality and just the way he carries himself, combined with the athletic ability. I think he is going to be a winner.

But I think the staff would love Kittle.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In your clips of Engram, there is a difference between an in-line block and a move block. There's a reason they're playing him as a wing instead of an in-line tight end. He needs to get a running start. He simply cannot line up beside the OT and block a 260+ lb defensive lineman, and whoever drafts him will be smart enough to know they will not be asking him to do that.

He will play in the slot or off the line of scrimmage. While he would be a neat offensive piece and I do belive he is a better receiver than Amaro, I just don't see where he fits in right now. We need another blocker unless Supernaw is going to be our #2 TE.

If Amaro can't crack the line up because of his blocking, that doesnt bode well for someone ~30 lbs lighter than him.

We could draft Engran to play WR and that may be a viable option. Actually would make a lot of sense. Devin Funchess was listed as a TE at Michigan but drafted by Carolina to play WR. Engram is much more athletic.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TitanSS wrote:
We could draft Engran to play WR and that may be a viable option. Actually would make a lot of sense. Devin Funchess was listed as a TE at Michigan but drafted by Carolina to play WR. Engram is much more athletic.


This would be my only reason for drafting him. To play WR.

I posted those Videos just to show he isn't a turnstile with his effort and blocking. By no means is he a Fasano or anything like that though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really liked Butt before the injury. Haven't bought a jersey in at least 10 years... if we draft Butt though that will probably change.
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