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squire12


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NormSizedMidget wrote:
I keep hearing we can't keep Adams or won't,etc

Any logic to that?

Maybe he hates our fans Laughing


GB can keep him if they want to...unless Adams wants out. Don't really see why he would not want to play with Rodgers at QB and likely be moving into the #1WR situation going into his 2nd contract.

From what I noted above about the sheer obscene amount of salary cap $$ available for 2018 (not including any potential increase in the cap itself), GB will likely be looking to sign some of these players during the 2017 season
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the links to the spotrac pages for those $$ figures.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2018/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squire12 wrote:
NormSizedMidget wrote:
I keep hearing we can't keep Adams or won't,etc

Any logic to that?

Maybe he hates our fans Laughing


GB can keep him if they want to...unless Adams wants out. Don't really see why he would not want to play with Rodgers at QB and likely be moving into the #1WR situation going into his 2nd contract.

From what I noted above about the sheer obscene amount of salary cap $$ available for 2018 (not including any potential increase in the cap itself), GB will likely be looking to sign some of these players during the 2017 season


that's exactly what will happen. We'll extend him before he has another big season so we can lock him in and focus on others.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think HaHa gets 10 mil a year, but hey thats just me.


I'm just talking about cap hits in my post.

5th year option for the safety position has been close to 6 Million for at least a few years.

2.5-3.0 is just the prorated amount of the signing bonus (of a contract extension) that will be charged to the 2018 cap.

Does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
PackyAttacky wrote:
I think HaHa gets 10 mil a year, but hey thats just me.


I'm just talking about cap hits in my post.

5th year option for the safety position has been close to 6 Million for at least a few years.

2.5-3.0 is just the prorated amount of the signing bonus (of a contract extension) that will be charged to the 2018 cap.

Does that make sense?


Oh ya got me. Holy crap, we are going to be able to bring in anybody.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squire12 wrote:
Here are the links to the spotrac pages for those $$ figures.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2018/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/


Went to WRs, AAV.

Emmanuel Sanders
WIDE RECEIVER $11,000,000

That's my number. And the cap is going up.

If we give DA a new contract at 12.25 per, people are going to lose it. And it's insanely possibly.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NormSizedMidget wrote:
squire12 wrote:
Here are the links to the spotrac pages for those $$ figures.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2018/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/


Went to WRs, AAV.

Emmanuel Sanders
WIDE RECEIVER $11,000,000

That's my number. And the cap is going up.

If we give DA a new contract at 12.25 per, people are going to lose it. And it's insanely possibly.


Like when people thought we could re-sign Perry at 5 Million per AFTER the 2016 season?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the 2018 cap space available, the 2017 remaining cap after the rookie picks accounted for and the total of the 2 in the far right column. 4 teams with over $95M in cap space and 3 more over $80M


Code:
Rank   Team   players signed   2018 cap space   2017 cap space      
1   Detroit Lions   37   $80,872,241    $3,000,000      $83,872,241
2   Houston Texans   36   $71,922,351    $27,000,000      $98,922,351
3   Minnesota Vikings   34   $69,068,461    $13,000,000      $82,068,461
4   Indianapolis Colts   44   $68,481,010    $27,000,000      $95,481,010
5   Oakland Raiders   35   $68,017,476    $27,000,000      $95,017,476
6   Washington Redskins   41   $58,649,276    $2,000,000      $60,649,276
7   San Francisco 49ers   44   $57,185,629    $61,000,000      $118,185,629
8   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   41   $56,515,093    $26,000,000      $82,515,093
9   Los Angeles Rams   44   $55,614,517    $1,000,000      $56,614,517
10   Chicago Bears   30   $50,512,054    $18,000,000      $68,512,054
11   New York Jets   46   $49,318,058    $7,000,000      $56,318,058
12   Cincinnati Bengals   39   $46,553,886    $14,000,000      $60,553,886
13   Arizona Cardinals   24   $45,089,674    $9,000,000      $54,089,674
14   Los Angeles Chargers   34   $44,005,697    $9,000,000      $53,005,697
15   Carolina Panthers   36   $42,504,665    $7,000,000      $49,504,665
16   New England Patriots   35   $42,180,655    $18,000,000      $60,180,655
LEAGUE AVERAGE                  $0
17   Buffalo Bills   34   $40,613,216    $6,000,000      $46,613,216
18   Pittsburgh Steelers   33   $36,482,766    $1,000,000      $37,482,766
19   Green Bay Packers   30   $33,607,538    $17,000,000      $50,607,538
20   Seattle Seahawks   33   $32,864,541    $5,000,000      $37,864,541
21   Tennessee Titans   47   $32,585,045    $36,000,000      $68,585,045
22   New Orleans Saints   50   $32,275,040    $5,000,000      $37,275,040
23   Baltimore Ravens   40   $30,672,427    -$1,660,000      $29,012,427
24   Cleveland Browns   49   $30,108,507    $49,000,000      $79,108,507
25   New York Giants   42   $29,890,743    $4,000,000      $33,890,743
26   Denver Broncos   32   $28,138,097    $9,000,000      $37,138,097
27   Jacksonville Jaguars   47   $27,310,212    $46,000,000      $73,310,212
28   Atlanta Falcons   39   $26,723,452    $386,000      $27,109,452
29   Miami Dolphins   38   $24,234,130    $9,000,000      $33,234,130
30   Dallas Cowboys   47   $8,291,629    $1,000,000      $9,291,629
31   Kansas City Chiefs   36   ($3,411,891)   -$2,400,000      ($5,811,891)
32   Philadelphia Eagles   52   ($5,455,449)   -$185,000      ($5,640,449)
                  
   *******************   ******   $1,311,420,746   $453,141,000      

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
squire12 wrote:
CentralFC wrote:
justo wrote:
I have a question. I'm not a cap guy, so excuse me. Green Bay has over $23 million in cap space right now according to Spotrac. Next year, they'll have over #33 million in cap space, if they keep everyone.

That in the rollover alone is ~$56 million, minus rookie contracts. Take into account the top 51 rule and it doesn't seem like that's going to be very significant considering GB has two picks in the top 90.

Per Spotrac, GB would save:
-$9.5 million if they release Cobb next year (going into 2018 as a 28 YO in his last year of his contract)
-$10.25 million if they release Nelson next year (going into 2018 as a 33 YO in his last year of his contract)
-$11.4 million if they release Matthews next year (going into 2018 as a 32 YO in his last year of his contract)

Is Green Bay going to have $80+ million in cap space to work with next year?

You figure:

1) The Aaron Rodgers extension is coming, but he's already going to have a cap hit of over $20 million, so he shouldn't get more than a $5 million increase at most.

2) The only veteran starters in a contract year right now are:
a) Morgan Burnett, who plays an overhang position when Green Bay let Hyde/Hayward walk
b) Davante Adams, but Green Bay is notorious in shorting players on their second contracts
c) Lane Taylor, who we don't even know if he's worth re-signing

Even if those guys all came back to market value deals, Green Bay still has at least $65ish million in cap space, considering the fact that we know Thompson back loads his contracts. What in the hell is Green Bay going to do with that money in 2018?


Should factor in HHCD too for his upcoming extension. That's at least $7-8m per year.

Other than that, not sure where that money goes.



Agree that adding Clinton-Dix to the list for extension options. Linsley is also a 2018 FA.
True, but let's not pretend like GB's second contracts don't often come down to the wire or that Green Bay has put a premium on retaining centers. Linsley's gonna have more starts than any center under McCarthy by the time his deal is up, right?


Seriously nothing to do with your post.

But it seems like we picked Corey over JC.

But there was a gap, yada yada.

Let's say they were both FAs at the same time, and this isn't directed at justo only. Corey was FA too. Just now.

We'd still pick him? Or was it a delay for money? Do we think Corey's sharper? Cheaper?

IDK it's been bugging me.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HaHa is going to get a huge contract and it will be deserved especially if he continues to get better. He should be looking to try and aim for becoming one of the top 5 safety's in the league next season and I think he can do it, obviously that also requires the corners to be better.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not overpay for Lang then? I really don't get it, if the cap carrys over like, we are going to have a ton of money!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PackyAttacky wrote:
Why not overpay for Lang then? I really don't get it, if the cap carrys over like, we are going to have a ton of money!


It's a philosophy thing, you set a number for how much you think the guy is worth to your team and you sign him for any number up to that number, and you don't exceed it. When you start breaking your own rules for "how much you're willing to pay to keep/get a guy" you run the risk of creating locker room problems because the other guys know how much their teammates are getting paid.

Overpay to keep Lang, then (say) Lane Taylor outplays T.J. Lang this season and up for an extension, and all of a sudden he wants >$8m. Overpay your guards, then you have to start overpaying your tackles, and so on. Since guards are not exactly key cogs (you can get by with "good enough" with a premium on pass pro here), it's not where you want to start the cascade of "overpay everybody."
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PossibleCabbage wrote:
PackyAttacky wrote:
Why not overpay for Lang then? I really don't get it, if the cap carrys over like, we are going to have a ton of money!


It's a philosophy thing, you set a number for how much you think the guy is worth to your team and you sign him for any number up to that number, and you don't exceed it. When you start breaking your own rules for "how much you're willing to pay to keep/get a guy" you run the risk of creating locker room problems because the other guys know how much their teammates are getting paid.

Overpay to keep Lang, then (say) Lane Taylor outplays T.J. Lang this season and up for an extension, and all of a sudden he wants >$8m. Overpay your guards, then you have to start overpaying your tackles, and so on. Since guards are not exactly key cogs (you can get by with "good enough" with a premium on pass pro here), it's not where you want to start the cascade of "overpay everybody."


Certainly correct in that you can't pay everyone.

But the other side is you have to pay someone. Losing veteran pieces at a high rate and relying too heavily on rookies/players on rookie contracts can be an issue as well.

Just something that I feel will be interesting to watch going forward.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So whats to stop a team like the Browns sucking for years carrying over all of their cap and then looking like the Yankees compared to the rest of the league? Does it only carry over for one year or something?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PackyAttacky wrote:
So whats to stop a team like the Browns sucking for years carrying over all of their cap and then looking like the Yankees compared to the rest of the league? Does it only carry over for one year or something?


Not a fan of mmqb (mostly just Peter King), but here's a good place to start.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/15/themmqb-business-football-andrew-brandt-contract-extensions-salary-cap-agents-recruiting-college
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