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Mancunian Raven


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danand wrote:
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I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?

I saw a playmaker for sure. But our team tends to do things very traditionally. We're not going to put Samuel in the same position as other teams to fully utilize him. We're not going to be motioning him around the field to get him in space. He's also in need of development and while I like our coaches, I think because of how traditional our coaches are, I would prefer the WR that needs less direction vs the project. Our WR development has been much better as of late, but I take a guy who can get open with route running after defenses have been planning on stopping him at WR all week vs the guy who is being an offensive joker and waiting to expose the defense with his athleticism. That being said I like Henderson as a project more because he actually plays the position full time (for the most part) and he also has proven to be a great return specialist. So if worst case scenario he busts as a wideout, he can be a potential Jermaine Lewis type guy.

Not a fan of Smith-Schuster. I didn't see someone consistently making plays or giving much effort as a blocker. I just didn't see a point with him. He's not elite in size, speed, route running, nor hands... I think there are plenty of better options out there this year.


I think the bolded part is some of the most important to have in mind when figuring out, who we actually covet. The tweeners, trixsters just never seem to have our attention. We would never be able to use a Darren Sproles for instance.

Regarding Schuster, I guess I wouldn't mind him in the 3. round, but as you say, I don't see why he should be high on our board.


The Ravens did take a guy last year who kind of fits that mould, in Keenan Reynolds. Okay, so they seemed to have him in mind as a kick returner primarily, but his skillset would lean towards being used in a Percy Harvin/Darren Sproles sort of way. Of course, he ended up not impressing enough to make the active roster, but it does show that the Ravens are not completely against drafting guys like that.

Having said that, I agree that our offense would never know what to do with someone who plays like Percy Harvin.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mancunian Raven wrote:
Danand wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
dcfields wrote:
I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?

I saw a playmaker for sure. But our team tends to do things very traditionally. We're not going to put Samuel in the same position as other teams to fully utilize him. We're not going to be motioning him around the field to get him in space. He's also in need of development and while I like our coaches, I think because of how traditional our coaches are, I would prefer the WR that needs less direction vs the project. Our WR development has been much better as of late, but I take a guy who can get open with route running after defenses have been planning on stopping him at WR all week vs the guy who is being an offensive joker and waiting to expose the defense with his athleticism. That being said I like Henderson as a project more because he actually plays the position full time (for the most part) and he also has proven to be a great return specialist. So if worst case scenario he busts as a wideout, he can be a potential Jermaine Lewis type guy.

Not a fan of Smith-Schuster. I didn't see someone consistently making plays or giving much effort as a blocker. I just didn't see a point with him. He's not elite in size, speed, route running, nor hands... I think there are plenty of better options out there this year.


I think the bolded part is some of the most important to have in mind when figuring out, who we actually covet. The tweeners, trixsters just never seem to have our attention. We would never be able to use a Darren Sproles for instance.

Regarding Schuster, I guess I wouldn't mind him in the 3. round, but as you say, I don't see why he should be high on our board.


The Ravens did take a guy last year who kind of fits that mould, in Keenan Reynolds. Okay, so they seemed to have him in mind as a kick returner primarily, but his skillset would lean towards being used in a Percy Harvin/Darren Sproles sort of way. Of course, he ended up not impressing enough to make the active roster, but it does show that the Ravens are not completely against drafting guys like that.

Having said that, I agree that our offense would never know what to do with someone who plays like Percy Harvin.


And as I understood it, they wanted to make him a returner/slot receiver.

He could have contributed immediately as a runner, but we are not a "creative" offense where theres a place for his type. Other than that I agree, that he is one of the few players with a little more wiggle than we previously have chosen in the draft.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dcfields wrote:
I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?


From a pure prospect standpoint, I just don't know if he's polished enough as either a RB or a WR. Seems in between obviously and I think he's really going to have to carve out a niche. That means the coordinator has a very specific plan for him, and he's going to have to devote a lot of time to getting better @ whatever spot he's used most at, which I would think is WR.

From a Ravens potential pick standpoint, I don't think we have the offensive creativity. I also don't think we have the luxury of waiting for him to figure it all out, especially considering he's probably a top 60 pick.

On top of all that, we just signed Woodhead, who is ready to go right now, and will presumably handle all of the duties that Samuel would if he were drafted.
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